Is there another side to the story? I concede that the quality and benefits of supplements are all over the spectrum but I have to believe that some are suitable for human consumption. If not, which foods and in what amounts are satisfactory for overall health? For example, if you have to eat a "ton" of pumpkin seeds to get 50mg...what i…
Is there another side to the story? I concede that the quality and benefits of supplements are all over the spectrum but I have to believe that some are suitable for human consumption. If not, which foods and in what amounts are satisfactory for overall health? For example, if you have to eat a "ton" of pumpkin seeds to get 50mg...what is the minimal amount required for ones health? Perhaps we only need 5mg...which would help to support your thesis.
Roger Sterlings REBUTAL POINT is most succinct to the issue:
BASICALLY IT'S:: IF TOXICITY OF OVERLY CHEMICALIZED MANUFACTURED VITAMIN DOESN'T REACH MINIMAL HARM LEVEL UNTIL A CERTAIN DOSAGE,SAY 5 MG DAY FOR ZINC AND THAT 5 MG ZINC IS BOOSTING BODY FUNCTIONS UP TO THAT LOW DOSE VS BEING BELOW SAFE BODY DEPLETION LEVELS IS ONE NOT BETTER OFF INGESTING A OTHERWISE TOXIN POISON known as a synthetic vitamin?
To answer that question is more difficult after all many natural food ingredients are toxic at higher dose and cyanide and other toxins is in a big % of our fruit and seeds ,veggies especially,etc yet rarely harms.
What about doing our own community lab studies? Example: Jon Doe buys 10 to 30+ rats from private market at $10 each avg vs $50 each lab supplier avg then feeds them for 3 months with food fully depleted of zinc or until common zinc defincies materialized to symptoms measurable ie 6+ months?.Then rats are given body weight dose comparable to say 5 -100 mg zinc for a 170 pound person in multiple dose tests Does rat benefit and relieve overt symptoms and or carefully measured by testing rat physiology ie blood,appearance, levels of related nutrients, illness,weakness symptoms,resistance to stressors,etc
Won't be easy but if several of us laymen were to combine efforts and create micro home labs indications could be compiled in under a year ranging from substantial to dramatic I'd think w much higher reliability.
Agent1317111's point of too high toxicities to risk in general at regular dose is fairly solid especially w proven efforts of their deceptions and willingness to harm in general.
However livestock studies and visual, money invested results for farmers indicate pretty strongly of benefits for their animals w key supplementing albeit their lives are arguably too short for toxins to accumulate in tissues to levels of bio destruction. Seems 72 years is elites previous target time for our longevity ie serve system(them!) 65 years,7+ years reward off retirement ,,indicates genuine goal to only semi poison w some genuine nutrition ie NOT A SIMPLE POISONING ATTEMPT,VERY CALCULATED!!!
Therefore entirety of overall question is still a mystery and will likely come down to per vitamin different status's of toxicity vs benefit at typical doses..related fact is Agents insinuation that some or all vitamin needs have been fabricated requires a deeper wide spectrum dive into the evidence and has not been proven and certainly for minerals like zinc or iron or calcium don't apply as those are too well established vs say vitamin D or A or folic acid where corruption at beginnings may well exist from upfront suspicious evidence of Rockefeller like tampering of biological truths there.
The Rotterdam vitamin study largest,longest ever study show signs of being genuine and fairly uncorrupted and there were vitamins indicating a overall negative effect but not not surprisingly 2 vitamins stood out dramatically in the positive as they were both the strongest anti calcification drugs and calcification is our biggest killer not cholesterol/statins scam,etc Vitamin D and synthetic calcium Rat poison formula,hello! Duh!obviously on timed to disease and kill in decades supplement and food program,no other vitamins needed really to complicate timings there although I agree they exist as backup, haha .
Vitamin K2 at only 38 mcg reduced overall mortality in a 10-15 yr span forget which by a whopping 24% and cardio disease by 52%,magnesium approx 1/3 those results, still dramatic results!
We don't have sufficient results to throw the baby out w the various bathwaters yet therefore and soil depletion of key minerals is real obviously,other vitamin or nutrients like factors depletion is key obviously too and Agent would need much more to show otherwise on that sub issue... surprised he went there as usually he's more correct then not,come-on depleted soul is a real thing,talk to the devastated farmers in key areas,etc
The % of people eating McDonald's level depleted food can't be under estimated,could easily be there still better off enduring toxins of lab vitamins vs almost none at all as livestock evidence backs please humbly consider Agent 1/3+ America is on fast food daily almost now..Or not and your all right here Agent.but evidence is incomplete thus far for majority of Americans eating avg to bad diet..
That said I'll be stopping my multivitamins and reducing my magnesium and vit k2 to 100 McG from 200 a radical response to Agents good overall work here!
It may serve you well to find out if so-called vitamins were ever truly found in nature/foods via a validated scientific process (not bio chemist chemical manufacturing processes). When you get to the bottom of THAT, you'll have to edit this comment to exclude the assumed imaginary miracle molecules being discussed as potentially this or that...the things being consumed or studied or causing whatever effects are not anything that was ever found in a food and then yanked out to be repackaged and retailed.
I've largely solved that problem in case of vitamin d by referring to it as a drug hormone type w radical non food,nutrient qualities ie my theory D is secretly used by elites to pull calcium,but more importantly full spectrum of minerals not vitamins from bones to counter soil and food depletion of real nutrients and allow productivity till they kill us…whatever those nutrients turn out to be beyond proven needed minerals they are supposed to contain in soil,plants food on our plates..that approach on D at least doesn't require knowing any other nutrient or non nutrient factors.
Is there another side to the story? I concede that the quality and benefits of supplements are all over the spectrum but I have to believe that some are suitable for human consumption. If not, which foods and in what amounts are satisfactory for overall health? For example, if you have to eat a "ton" of pumpkin seeds to get 50mg...what is the minimal amount required for ones health? Perhaps we only need 5mg...which would help to support your thesis.
Roger Sterlings REBUTAL POINT is most succinct to the issue:
BASICALLY IT'S:: IF TOXICITY OF OVERLY CHEMICALIZED MANUFACTURED VITAMIN DOESN'T REACH MINIMAL HARM LEVEL UNTIL A CERTAIN DOSAGE,SAY 5 MG DAY FOR ZINC AND THAT 5 MG ZINC IS BOOSTING BODY FUNCTIONS UP TO THAT LOW DOSE VS BEING BELOW SAFE BODY DEPLETION LEVELS IS ONE NOT BETTER OFF INGESTING A OTHERWISE TOXIN POISON known as a synthetic vitamin?
To answer that question is more difficult after all many natural food ingredients are toxic at higher dose and cyanide and other toxins is in a big % of our fruit and seeds ,veggies especially,etc yet rarely harms.
What about doing our own community lab studies? Example: Jon Doe buys 10 to 30+ rats from private market at $10 each avg vs $50 each lab supplier avg then feeds them for 3 months with food fully depleted of zinc or until common zinc defincies materialized to symptoms measurable ie 6+ months?.Then rats are given body weight dose comparable to say 5 -100 mg zinc for a 170 pound person in multiple dose tests Does rat benefit and relieve overt symptoms and or carefully measured by testing rat physiology ie blood,appearance, levels of related nutrients, illness,weakness symptoms,resistance to stressors,etc
Won't be easy but if several of us laymen were to combine efforts and create micro home labs indications could be compiled in under a year ranging from substantial to dramatic I'd think w much higher reliability.
Agent1317111's point of too high toxicities to risk in general at regular dose is fairly solid especially w proven efforts of their deceptions and willingness to harm in general.
However livestock studies and visual, money invested results for farmers indicate pretty strongly of benefits for their animals w key supplementing albeit their lives are arguably too short for toxins to accumulate in tissues to levels of bio destruction. Seems 72 years is elites previous target time for our longevity ie serve system(them!) 65 years,7+ years reward off retirement ,,indicates genuine goal to only semi poison w some genuine nutrition ie NOT A SIMPLE POISONING ATTEMPT,VERY CALCULATED!!!
Therefore entirety of overall question is still a mystery and will likely come down to per vitamin different status's of toxicity vs benefit at typical doses..related fact is Agents insinuation that some or all vitamin needs have been fabricated requires a deeper wide spectrum dive into the evidence and has not been proven and certainly for minerals like zinc or iron or calcium don't apply as those are too well established vs say vitamin D or A or folic acid where corruption at beginnings may well exist from upfront suspicious evidence of Rockefeller like tampering of biological truths there.
The Rotterdam vitamin study largest,longest ever study show signs of being genuine and fairly uncorrupted and there were vitamins indicating a overall negative effect but not not surprisingly 2 vitamins stood out dramatically in the positive as they were both the strongest anti calcification drugs and calcification is our biggest killer not cholesterol/statins scam,etc Vitamin D and synthetic calcium Rat poison formula,hello! Duh!obviously on timed to disease and kill in decades supplement and food program,no other vitamins needed really to complicate timings there although I agree they exist as backup, haha .
Vitamin K2 at only 38 mcg reduced overall mortality in a 10-15 yr span forget which by a whopping 24% and cardio disease by 52%,magnesium approx 1/3 those results, still dramatic results!
We don't have sufficient results to throw the baby out w the various bathwaters yet therefore and soil depletion of key minerals is real obviously,other vitamin or nutrients like factors depletion is key obviously too and Agent would need much more to show otherwise on that sub issue... surprised he went there as usually he's more correct then not,come-on depleted soul is a real thing,talk to the devastated farmers in key areas,etc
The % of people eating McDonald's level depleted food can't be under estimated,could easily be there still better off enduring toxins of lab vitamins vs almost none at all as livestock evidence backs please humbly consider Agent 1/3+ America is on fast food daily almost now..Or not and your all right here Agent.but evidence is incomplete thus far for majority of Americans eating avg to bad diet..
That said I'll be stopping my multivitamins and reducing my magnesium and vit k2 to 100 McG from 200 a radical response to Agents good overall work here!
It may serve you well to find out if so-called vitamins were ever truly found in nature/foods via a validated scientific process (not bio chemist chemical manufacturing processes). When you get to the bottom of THAT, you'll have to edit this comment to exclude the assumed imaginary miracle molecules being discussed as potentially this or that...the things being consumed or studied or causing whatever effects are not anything that was ever found in a food and then yanked out to be repackaged and retailed.
I've largely solved that problem in case of vitamin d by referring to it as a drug hormone type w radical non food,nutrient qualities ie my theory D is secretly used by elites to pull calcium,but more importantly full spectrum of minerals not vitamins from bones to counter soil and food depletion of real nutrients and allow productivity till they kill us…whatever those nutrients turn out to be beyond proven needed minerals they are supposed to contain in soil,plants food on our plates..that approach on D at least doesn't require knowing any other nutrient or non nutrient factors.
Agent inspired me to republish and combine my previous stuff from the last two and a half years:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/just-one-more-way-to-be-poisoned
It also applies to "nutrients"...