From ballistic missile trajectory calculations to unmanned vehicles, the US Military and NASA have been using FLAT EARTH as their model for over 60 YEARS!
I have been loving reading all of these comments. You guys have so much incredible insight and I love when the comments make me think. To add to the Antarctica / "Ice Wall" topic that many have brought up, I was listening to a podcast and it talked about how Hitler knew something was in Antarctica, so he had a large camp set up there and they were searching for something. The Powers that Be told him to close the camp and stop searching. He refused.
Allegedly Hitler invaded in 1939, thus kicking off WWII.
Hitler was allegedly assassinated April 1945.
The Antarctic Treaty was signed in 1959.
Whatever was going on there, they did not want anyone looking for anything (according to the podcast. I do not remember which show it was)
To the person who asked about the horizon, I think there is a link to a show on the topic in the Sources section of the document. Next time you believe you see a ship disappearing over the curve of the horizon, get out your phone and zoom in on the ship. You will be able to see the ship clearly again. Our eyes are only capable of seeing so far, so as an object gets further away it becomes smaller and once an object gets far enough away, we can no longer see it, but that doesn't mean the object isn't there, it just means we cannot see it without assistance of technology (camera, binoculars, etc). Basically, it's an optical illusion.
Again, I do not care what shape the earth is. But some things make way more sense than others.
Hitler did NOT start WW2; the French and the Brits declared war on him after he re-occupied German-majority territories. Stalin took the rest of Poland, but France and Britain didn't declare war on him for "attacking an ally" (Poland).
From the National Archives (December 8, 1954): Rear Adm. Richard E. Byrd, Antarctic explorer (he traveled to and stayed at Antarctica for 3 separate periods), interviewed by Kenneth Crawford and Larry Lesueur. Topic: Exploration in the Arctic and Antarctic regions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJJbc81OJcU
I never really thought much about the earth being flat. I worked many years as an air traffic controller, never questioning how, for example an airliner traveling east at at altitude of 31K’ could possibly steadily maintain that altitude. Taking into consideration the supposed curvature of the planet, common sense dictates that aircraft would have to incrementally gain altitude or as mentioned in your post, the pilot would have to continually drop down to maintain assigned altitude. That does not happen or air traffic control would be much more complicated than it already is. Never too late for an Occam’s razor moment.
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Supposedly the altimeter readings you were giving to pilots was a measure of if they needed to fix their levelness with the earth. So as long as all the pilots are keeping that meter on whatever number you decided on that day they should stay level.
Not a pilot, but from what I thought I understood, the altimeter is a pressure altitude gauge that can internally adjust based on relative humidity or temperature and would not take into consideration the curvature of the earth, and flat-earthers would deny that function would be needed anyway. As you mentioned it is vitally essential for all pilots in a controlled area to dial in the current setting.
Like yourself, I honestly don't care what shape the earth is. I've always believed it to be round, when I thought of it at all, but in the grand scheme of things (global depop etc) it doesn't really matter. Everywhere I go on social media I see folks touting the Flat Earth thing. I never watch them because I'm not interested and have other things to concentrate my limited energies on.
But...one thing I now recognise as an absolute...the governments..all of them...lie. All the time. To us all. Everywhere. Always.
When I was a child my parents and grandparents always used to tell me to never believe anything the government said. As a child I appreciated this advice, then as a wayward teen I rebelled and didn't bother listening and now they are long gone and I wish I could say to their faces, "You were right. You were SO very right....".
I've also come to believe that there are no true individual governments on the face of the planet (or the table of it. Or flat page of it, or whatever folks believe in) but that all govs are mere mouthpieces for and subsidiaries of the military. And whomever runs that is probably (I obviously can't know for sure) simply the small group of people who can afford to fund them for any great length of time.
Government to me has always been just a slavery construct, put in place simply to keep the global population as under the thumb and controlled as possible.
I don't think I'll live to see the day we manage to delete all governments, their toxic systems and learn to look after our own selves. I'm too old. Even if I were young I don't think I'd be holding my breath for that.
Valkerie, you're spot on with your remarks on governments. I actually touch on them here and the idea is governments are only there to "govern" your "mind". Here's an article on that idea from my book: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/enjoying-your-enslavement
I do want to say that Flat Earth does tie into the mind prison in many ways. As Bertrand Russell stated, if you can make them say snow is black, then you're winning (https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/they-would-never-do-that). To do this, they have to control all the sciences, education, and etc, to educate the masses that snow is black. That's the same thing they've done w/ the model of the world.
This is why I would argue the topic of FE is important. It goes to see just how much of their goal is to lie and sustain the lie. By continuing to lie about something that blatantly but still have much of the population believe in the lie, shows just how effective their propaganda and perception machine is. https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-spirituality-of-flat-earth
Great comment, and I do get your point. Speaking for myself though, it's just,, I'm old, very tired and have very limited energies these days, so I tend to concentrate on a limited viewpoint I try to get across to others ...as in, yes, they DO want us all dead and yes, we DO need to fight back or die.
Oh I concur. I never cared much whether the world is flat or round, as in what difference does it make in the general current scheme of lying. Cutting straight to the chase, they do want us dead. Simple.
I agree that the flat earth question is important. The breakdown of covid, viruses, globe, history, science, education, media = reality breakdown! Existential crisis If you want to save energy don’t worry about convincing anybody of anything. These realisations are personal and come by means of a personal process.
I totally understand why you don’t want to engage with the flat earth stuff - but that’s a program they have implanted in you that makes your mind ‘glaze over’.
Trust me (even though you don’t know me), when you finally allow yourself to fully look at the evidence presented for a flat earth and your mind finally grasps the fullness of the lie something unlocks inside and the whole house of cards they’ve built around us comes tumbling down leaving you free.
It is the key to your inner freedom. I would implore you not to ignore it if that’s something you value.
Wish I could 10x Like your comment. It is so true! I came around to the flat earth over a decade ago, and I ordered the Gleason map. Or maybe earlier, as it was only on Day 2 after 911 that I figured out the "story" was poppycock.
Well, I'm in Sweden, lol..and our Hell is actually Hel, this..."In Norse mythology, Hel is the queen of the realm of the dead. Every single person who dies from an illness, age, or is considered a coward or dishonorable by the Gods and Goddesses will end up in her realm called Helheim. This in relation to the Viking Age, meant if you didn’t die in battle you would simply just go to Hel."
Ahhh......so looking at our constellation reflected on the sky at night .....Alien/s could have been the colony planet "Mars" or Linne` crater on the moon map.
I can assure you if it was round there would be no water on it. Therefore, we would not have any floodway or floodplain and could build houses anywhere without government intervention from the Flood Control Districts.
Please don't,, folks...as I said previously, I'm old and tired and am focusing my energies, such as they are, on the fact the Globalists are currently depopulating the world and killing everyone I love. I will not be drawn into flat or round earth discussions. Thanks.
Happy to be converted by reason and evidence. What is it?
Just to say for water staying on the earth the explanation (which I have no trouble believing) is:
The combination of gravity and the Earth's rotation keeps water and everything else firmly anchored to the surface of the planet, even though the Earth is spherical in shape.
Too big a subject for a comment page but all of these question are addressed in the FE model . Understanding requires your own research and also contemplation. But for arguments sake ask yourself: why do you believe in gravity? How in theory could that work? And why would the planet spinning help water to stick to it? It’s crazy but By every measure the earth is a stationary plane, but the best place to start is with direct experience and common sense.
My own research? Do you have a link to start me on my journey of how FE answers the phenomena mentioned?
What I wonder about is why a three-dimensional object is referred to by a term that can only refer to one of its planes. If the earth isn't round why not use a term that describes its shape as a whole?
They faked the lines with the Marcador system and when flying the routes do a Mobius ring. There is no horizon how they explained it to us in school. Alternating day and night?? Please! I see the moon in the US here at 1 pm and my sister sees it at night 6 hrs ahead 6000 miles away??
We probably have 2 suns or one is the reflection of the main one.
There is a wabbling movement of the bigger earth and a rotation movement.....but not the way we are told.
So are all the pilots in on it or they don't know they're flying in a Mobius ring? What happens if there's an emergency landing? So what countries do they fly over for Sydney to New York via Hawaii and what via Dubai? For one or the other presumably they double over countries??
Please explain exactly how Sydney to New York works for the two different stopovers.
Because all flying routes have to stay close to land….they tell us it is for safety. Which brings the other issue I have: inexistent technology (consider commercial flights run still with a black box flight recorder). When I fly no way we are going around a globe in a curve but we are purposely curving to assigned route. No pilot would ever say a thing and if they noticed so what? The entire narrative is set to make us believe that anyone questioning it is a dimwit.
Think how the narrative is set to make us believe there is a space. Even in the flat earth model thing do not square up because it makes not sense. Now we are talking about an half sphere in space.
The curvature does not exist because we only occupy a very tiny portion of a enormous larger sphere.
This is interesting but doesn't say much at all. Engineers use assumptions in their models all the time. It makes calculations easier (assuming assumptions don't deviate too much from empirical data; hey! more assumptions! An assumption of assumptions!)
You can see it in these things you posted as well, when they mention non-turbulent flow. That's another assumption, which is obviously incorrect, but turbulent flow would require way more computational modelling because it is a fucking mess
Or when they mention that "the method (or shall I say model?) can be extended to more complicated geometries" they mean that they could adapt the model with more complicated equations to more complicated geometries like the geometry of a cylindrical Earth (yes this is a model you can use), or a spherical Earth, or an oblate spheroid Earth
These are just models that are not meant to represent reality perfectly. That's what models are. They are all wrong, but some are more useful than others, and some are easire to use than others. There are frictionless models, ideal gas models, constant acceleration models, etc. And these are all models that we *know* are nonsense, just empirically looking at it, it's not even like you need to be a super physicist to understand friction is always there dragging stuff, or that ideal gases don't exist, or that acceleration is not going to be perfectly constant. These are just models. Heck, even energy is a model. Energy is literally a model of some kind of property of an object to change its (or something else's) state. Energy isn't a thing in reality. You can't get an energy-meter and measure it. It's just a model. And interestingly, it doesn't mean that we are delussional and been lied to when people talk about energy. It is a useful concept.
Dude, your research with NASA and the dinosaurs and the virus stuff and some psyops is great, but I think you need to familiarize yourself with a little bit of physics to understand what these things are saying and what they are not saying... Like when you claim stuff like believing the Earth is spinning at 1000 mph is crazy and then show what 1000 mph is like in an embedded video, as though that video is supposed to mean anything. Just think about it, when you're in a train and going at a constant speed of 200 mph and you want to throw something across the aisle to your friend, you don't have to match the 200 mph on your pitch, you just throw it normally, as if you weren't even going 200 mph. Why is that? It's fairly intuitive why, and it's fairly intuitively expressed by what people call Newton's 1st law of motion. For this same reason, it's not crazy to believe that the Earth would be spinning at 1000 mph, and I'm not even saying that the Earth isn't flat in all of this, just that your misunderstanding of physics makes you read way too much into this when there might be other things that could be more compelling
As you are saying, the most common and most convincing verification of "science" is if it works, but that doesn't mean the paradigm used is an authentic model of the real stuff:
Although, I think this statement might be confusing "science" with technology, as in "the most common and most convincing verification of *technology* is if it works", not "science".
I think the best way to look at it is to have the definition of "science" be results that follow the *scientific method*. Everything else is inductive/deductive reasoning, speculation, trial and error, etc. This doesn't mean that speculation, reasoning and trial and error aren't part of the scientific method, it is to say that "science" should just be the process that follows the *scientific method*, which may or may not include those actions/processes.
I think this is an important distinction because people tend to confuse knowledge and technology with science, especially technology. They see something working and they say "woohoo, yay science!", and meanwhile the craftsman/engineer that made the thing work has no clue what's happening under the hood. He just knows the thing works for its intended purpose and may have an educated guess as to why it works (and sometimes, of course, may know exactly why something works). Of course, you can come in later and figure out how an airplane works, but the Wright Brothers were no high-level physicists that understood lift and aerodynamic curves perfectly, they were mechanics that made some junk with a propeller fly, even though the "scientists" at the time were certain flight was impossible (see lord Kelvin).
In the same way, knowledge is usually confused with "science". Knowledge of something doesn't mean it was derived from the scientific method. My eyes are brown. We don't need "science" to tell us that. That is just knowledge derived from an observation. No science involved/required.
Sorry for the tangent, but yes, you are right. I just think it is useful to separate the concept of "science" from technology. I think the best way is to have everything that uses the "scientific method" be called "science" and then everything else is a different category. Technology is the stuff we use that works for a specific puspose. And everything else is speculation, or inductive/deductive reasoning, or something else. Like, for example, the idea of "dark matter" falls outside the "scientific method", it is pure speculation to try to make the standard model of physics work, so I don't think it makes any sense to call it "science".
I don't think you and I are talking about different things. Technology is science put to work, and I was talking about the ways "science" can be substantiated, out of which the highest everyday level comprises the usefulness and functionality of the finding in a scientific paradigm. (Please, read the brief article, if you are interested in the details.) The "scientific method" itself is a bad joke.
Here’s a thought where air flight is concerned. If the Earth were round, and you boarded a flight to a certain destination, then the airplane only needs to take off, align itself with the destination and the rotation of the earth, and let the destination come to it. The airplane would mainly need to hover. And the flight shouldn’t take that long due to the immense rotational speed of the earth; what’s that again 66k mph? The problem though, is landing.
Right? I mean this might be a physics problem. So if the earth is rotating so fast, then the airplane has to match that rotation speed and direction, then it has to increase speed so that it can safely touch ground and then apply the air brakes, if it needs to, since resistance will slow it down due to the earth’s rotational speed. Lo and behold if the airplane touches down opposite the rotational speed and direction as possibly all passengers would perish and the airplane would perhaps disintegrate.
Please, don’t waste my time and yours trying to factor gravity, cause that’s one of the biggest scientific scam of all time. Write your senator instead.
Now, how do they really calculate airfares when supposedly a flight from New York to London (Britain) may actually be fifteen minutes, but they fly for two hours in one direction and slowly turn back and land two hours later, for example?
That’s how you know the earth isn’t a spinning ball, but it isn’t flat either!
Geocentricism: The Earth is a FIXED GLOBE, with a circumference, at the centre of the universe, with the sun and moon orbiting the earth. The Stars move in the aether. Space vacuum is a myth. Einstein's theory of relativity is bunk.
Did The Sun Stand Still and The Moon Stay or Did The Earth Stop Spinning and Moving - Joshua 10:13:
1. They simplify the math because curvature isn't relevant for short distances. Pitchers don't care about the earth's curvature, only the ball's.
2. What % of these kinds of docs are FE assumption vs RE assumption? Esp for long distances.
3. At the poles different stars are spinning, this is a projection on the dome Including parallax even?
4. An airplane never tried to go past the edge of the flat earth to the other side, or prove they would hit the "dome"? Where are the photos of the edge of the FE from the air (not of an ice wall which means nothing).
5. Considering the psyops they put on us, why is FE not a psyop? Makes perfect sense. If it weren't a psyop there wouldn't be such a sm and other media push for it.
Regardless of the reason, there are no photos of the edge or the "other side" of our frisbee, proof of a dome, etc. Plenty of reasons to see the world as round and the FE narrative as COINTELPRO but I don't want to spend time on those arguments.
There is no edge or other side of an infinite, topographicaly, level, stationary, horizontal, plane...Wakey ². You my man, are retarded, and I don't trust you!😎🤔🫵
If it is ok with you, please tell us politely what this means- do you mean to say the earth is infinitely flat, and the stars rotate on a dome or projection? What proof do you have to suport this? Even the standard FE model shows a finite sized earth.
"There is no edge or other side of an infinite, topographicaly, level, stationary, horizontal, plane"
I don’t really see how the alt media is pushing this at all. Alex Jones and infowars, arguably the most well known “truther” and alt media platform, still pushes the moon landings as legitimate. The real information on this topic is heavily censored: try searching “flat earth” on YouTube or any major search engine, all you will get is fallacious debunks of straw man arguments.
As for the claim that Scripture doesn’t teach this, that’s up for debate obviously. It’s simply untrue that this is entirely a new phenomenon unseen in Church history until 2014. There was a large resurgence of this movement in the 1800’s. Iraeneaus, writing in the 4th century, wrote about those who held the belief that the Earth was modeled after the Tabernacle of Moses, i.e. an enclosed plane. We have extant texts from the 5th century writings of Cosmas, a Christian theologian of some note who taught that the Earth was flat.
I don’t agree with his exegesis of the verses he uses, but Christians — admittedly not the majority — have absolutely turned to the Scriptures throughout history as vindication for their belief in a stationary, enclosed, topographical plane. It’s also fairly unambiguous that the ancient Hebrews believed this as well, see the late Dr. Heiser’s presentation on Old Testament cosmology.
Whether they are right or not is a separate matter, but any Christian (such as the author of the piece you linked) can’t say is that this is a CIA psyop since this idea predates the CIA by several millennia.
Thanks for your info Scipio. The CIA can take an old idea and breath life back into it. I personally never said what Christians did or didn't say about it. Fact is that the masses correlate FE with nutty ideas and that discredits any other non-official narrative ideas, even no-virus found, and gets conspiracy fact finders like us to argue with each other. There are a lot of FE vids and web sites-promoting FE, maybe I should have said that instead of "alt-media". Take care.
You posted a link that did address those issues, which is what I was responding to.
The science is far from settled on a host of issues that are considered “sacrosanct”, and I know I’m preaching to the choir on that one. I’ve seen plenty of folks argue against no virus, Apollo fakery, or a host of conspiracy topics using that same logic. I don’t find it compelling personally. I just want to know the truth: whether the masses will accept it or not, well, that’s not really been my concern for awhile haha.
Ok, I understand the link said that yes, I wasn't focusing on that part of it sorry for confusion. The game for TPTB is to keep the masses in their beliefs of the official narrative, they need to keep conspiracy truthers (us) discredited so they (thru Intel) make up narratives and words to discredit us, "your a conspiracy theorist", "your a flat earther" (if the earth was flat then the RE would be their narrative). These keep the eyes rolling even when discussing blatantly true conspiracies like 9.11 or Iraq war. That's what the post we are reading here is all about.
I understand your point PM, I just fail to see how this particular topic is different from a host of other controversial topics in that regard. By that logic, one could say addressing the no virus issue is a distraction as well, we need to focus on XYZ. I don’t agree with that assertion obviously, merely pointing out that this particular logic cuts both ways.
I do agree that the term “flat earth” is inarticulate and has been turned into a thought terminating cliche, which is why I don’t use it.
I think we agree on many of the mechanisms and concepts-sure some disagreement is normal and my basic stance on every topic is that people do not need to agree on everything to have good feelings about each other-as you know I have about you. Let me just say that the stars are not fully aligned to dig into your query at this juncture, I will try to get back to you at proton speed. Yours truly PM.
Just as they correlate nutty ideas with disbelief of the moon landings, PM. The moon landings happened and there is zero evidence against them and masses for them. What there is also very clear evidence of are propaganda agents encouraging the disbelievers to disbelieve in the moon landings just as they encourage people to believe in FE.
of course circumnavigating the south pole might or might not prove FE, but it does prove 'they' don't like us trying to find answers to legitimate questions about the shape of the earth.
Mary Lou! That doesn't prove that either, they might be hiding Illuminati control centers, testing of man-made flying machines aimed to suggest aliens, or just places they hide from the chem trails etc. Our guesses don't prove anything. Hey, lets write a book together called, "conspiracy guesses"!
it shouldn't matter what or who's scooped up at the poles, or even why: there's many who'd like to know and so far we're not happy with the answers (total black out, more likely). we'd like to know why we can't "boldly go where no man's gone before" (h/t Star Trek).
See your comment shows you either haven’t done any research at all or you’d know no genuine flat earther thinks we live on a pancake and if there wasn’t an Antarctic treaty that prevents us all from exploring the Antarctic region then we’d be able to settle this once and for all.
As for my rudeness, grow a pair. Because what your saying is actually bullshit.
Why don’t show me a true non cgi picture of a globe earth and outer space? Why don’t you show me a non manipulated image of Antarctica as a continent. How about YOU prove your argument without resorting to the fake shit NASA pumps out or some complicated mathematical modelling that no one can prove is true or not.
I can show you multiple evidences of a flat earth - you can in fact prove it to yourself by simply purchasing a P1000 camera and seeing how far over the supposed curve you can see.
FYI for anyone interested Substack (or something) is editing my comment in real time it seems as it has taken out a whole paragraph. It’s there when I go into edit but it’s not showing up in the published comment.
Why can't you possibly DYOFR(Do Your Own Fuckin' Research) for once, instead of just believing in google and Rachel Madcow's MSM. Are you a brainless retard, cause you are definitly not even a half way intelligent human being! Yeah, these are well deserved insults. Why would anyone trust you or like you? You are a sheeple grabbler, lying, shill, Gatekeeper? And nobody likes you, right? hehehe🤣😎🤔😉
"FE...is: a clever, satanic form of psychological warfare designed to divide and conquer by confusing, distracting and controlling the opposition who are slowly but surely learning that NO government agency is “for” the people. Government, like organized religion, is a CORPORATE BUSINESS, designed to lie to, steal from, and control the masses, who would otherwise rise up against them and their evil leaders and aims. If it looks like a COINTELPRO PSYOP, employs a myriad of well-documented signature mind-control tactics, rolls out fake and intentionally misleading DISINFORMATION in a sustained campaign of books, videos and interviews FILLED with outright lies and logical fallacies, and comes out of relative obscurity to do all of this at a critical juncture in human history where the world stands on the precipice of the third and FINAL world war…it’s a government controlled-opposition job managed by the so-called “intelligence” services. And anyone towing the government line, using the mind-control tricks of the CIA trade, is obviously a trained agent or asset."
Discredit by association of something the masses will roll eyes with and associate all conspiracies as nutty is not pot calling kettle black. The Kettle is just black. You can argue back or just simmer on it, I suggest the latter as I don't think it is valuable to have an argument.
I think it may be hard for people to see how all these topics tie together. Like how does science tie into evolution, then tie into dinosaurs, then flat earth, etc. That's what made me write my book, "An Unorthodox Truth" that connects everything, but at a high level. And then, talk about, how all that is meant to keep YOU in a perception control. Here's an article if anyone's interested: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-history-of-you-a-book-that-connects
Interestingly, NASA's translation to Hebrew means to 'beguile or deceive.'
One of the scientists brought to America (Operation Paperclip) and used to start NASA was Dr. Wernher Von Braun, known as the Father of NASA and he was an integral part of the rocket program. On Werner Von Braun's (1912 - 1977) tombstone, Psalm 19:1 is engraved; (To the chief Musician, a Psalm of David) ~ "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork."
Like a snow globe. The container is spherical and we cannot leave it, period. We live on the plane in the middle, which is 'flat' like the surface of a bowl of chili.
Watch the "Space X Deception" on YT to see what happens when we try to leave.
some call it biblical earth: a flat suface, the 'circle of the earth', over which stands a protective dome ('heavens') - Isaiah 40:21-22: ....have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth...
Geocentricism: The Earth is a FIXED GLOBE, with a circumference, at the centre of the universe, with the sun and moon orbiting the earth. The Stars move in the aether. Space vacuum is a myth. Einstein's theory of relativity is bunk.
Did The Sun Stand Still and The Moon Stay or Did The Earth Stop Spinning and Moving - Joshua 10:13:
There is a reason , in this inverted reality, that so much propaganda about a turning world begins blanketing us at birth and it's important, because if you are always moving, then you can't be standing still (sovereign, centered, level-headed acting from reason, trusting your own observable reality). Learning to trust ones self and where you stand as you look across the (horizon/horizontal/plane) and look up at the sky as it turns creates dissonance when so much says otherwise. There will always be mystery, uknowns, energetic fields explained as "matter," but the world/whirled is not what we were told and there is a reason they want the masses to believe it is spinning out of control hurling through darkness. No one needs science, not even the mysteries, to know the answer to this riddle, as it lives inside everyone's heart and soul........each much then ask themselves, does it rock or does it roll?
You are looking out of the window in the side of the plane not the front of the plane. There are plenty of videos taken by pilots from the front windows which are designed for clear visibility that show the horizon is horizontal. GoPro camera lenses provide a curved view. Perhaps those small plane windows do as well.
This is not enough to prove the earth is flat. Show us what happens to the plane at the edge of the disk, it either hits the "dome" or it flies past and we can see the frisbee part of the earth (where are the photos of the frisbee edge or hitting the dome?), or, if the plane never turns, then if the earth is round it keeps going until it gets back to where it started.
No plane never gets to the edge of the disk. That would be well below 60 degrees south latitude. Show me a flight path that goes over or very near the south pole. Better yet - how about a "great circle" route over or near the south pole?
No one has ever Circumnavigated the world North/ South, never ever! It's impossiball, dude! Millions or maybe billions have Circumnavigated West/ East or East/West! Don't you think that is odd? It ain't no fuckin Disk, dude! I can see you are still lost in the sauce, proton!🤔😎🤣 please, stay the hell off Google!
When I check last time in high school, lights had to be on 15" poles or higher in order to be visible from the other side of an 8-mile-wide lake. Galileo's pendulum also suggests that the Earth rotates, and the rotation can be verified by three pendulums on various parts of the Globe. Beyond that, already Plato observed that the least convincing sources of information are the senses. Truth judgments have various levels, and lower ones are ignored by the person. The most convincing "truths" are based on existential needs:
on pendulums, here's Foucault's: '....Scientists who have repeated variations of the experiment have conceded time and again that “it was difficult to avoid giving the pendulum some slight lateral bias at starting.” The behavior of the pendulum actually depends on 1) the initial force beginning its swing and, 2) the ball-and-socket joint used which most-readily facilitates circular motion over any other.....' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLlLWFbF5Eo
The friction can be calculated, and it is negligible compared to the pin's movement in the sand. Granted, the material of the rope can make a LOT of difference, but that can be eliminated by using various materials of various threads. The suspension point is unlikely to cause a problem as long as it can move loosely with the same amount of friction.
The field of view by the human eye, will produce a circular boundary, 360° view , so to speak.
As the developed optimal retina display by apple, clearly shows there a limit to our resolution.
Therefore the "corners" would be out of viewing distance since we see in ocular circular patterns, with only the focus being high rez and the boundary vision being "interpreted" by the minds construct.
Love all the thinking here, your some very smart people, I'm learning every day.
The towers still need to come down, and they will, they didn't spend all that money for nothing, even if the biotech network can operate person to person, there has to be collection points! Satellites don't cut it for full coverage.
CBDC requires them also.
Our view is determined by our source of observation , first.
It ain't spinning because as anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows, if you are standing on something that's in motion you'll feel it. Does anyone feel the earth moving? I sure as Hell don't. If it ain't spinning, it sure as Hell ain't a round ball. How the Controllers just love to mind fuck us.
Although Zeno's Paradox about Achilles and the tortoise proves that there is such a thing as the smallest distance, integral calculus is not needed for building bridges, just like the theory of relativity can be applied only in macrophysics, while microphysics uses an incompatible paradigm.
I have been loving reading all of these comments. You guys have so much incredible insight and I love when the comments make me think. To add to the Antarctica / "Ice Wall" topic that many have brought up, I was listening to a podcast and it talked about how Hitler knew something was in Antarctica, so he had a large camp set up there and they were searching for something. The Powers that Be told him to close the camp and stop searching. He refused.
Allegedly Hitler invaded in 1939, thus kicking off WWII.
Hitler was allegedly assassinated April 1945.
The Antarctic Treaty was signed in 1959.
Whatever was going on there, they did not want anyone looking for anything (according to the podcast. I do not remember which show it was)
To the person who asked about the horizon, I think there is a link to a show on the topic in the Sources section of the document. Next time you believe you see a ship disappearing over the curve of the horizon, get out your phone and zoom in on the ship. You will be able to see the ship clearly again. Our eyes are only capable of seeing so far, so as an object gets further away it becomes smaller and once an object gets far enough away, we can no longer see it, but that doesn't mean the object isn't there, it just means we cannot see it without assistance of technology (camera, binoculars, etc). Basically, it's an optical illusion.
Again, I do not care what shape the earth is. But some things make way more sense than others.
Hitler did NOT start WW2; the French and the Brits declared war on him after he re-occupied German-majority territories. Stalin took the rest of Poland, but France and Britain didn't declare war on him for "attacking an ally" (Poland).
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/a-little-alternative-history
From the National Archives (December 8, 1954): Rear Adm. Richard E. Byrd, Antarctic explorer (he traveled to and stayed at Antarctica for 3 separate periods), interviewed by Kenneth Crawford and Larry Lesueur. Topic: Exploration in the Arctic and Antarctic regions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJJbc81OJcU
I never really thought much about the earth being flat. I worked many years as an air traffic controller, never questioning how, for example an airliner traveling east at at altitude of 31K’ could possibly steadily maintain that altitude. Taking into consideration the supposed curvature of the planet, common sense dictates that aircraft would have to incrementally gain altitude or as mentioned in your post, the pilot would have to continually drop down to maintain assigned altitude. That does not happen or air traffic control would be much more complicated than it already is. Never too late for an Occam’s razor moment.
Anyone want to buy some unused bottles of vitamin D3?
Might as well start with gravity. Nobody knows what it is.
Electromagnetism and density. It’s proven already and it’s as logical and simple as that.
Ken Wheeler knows about gravity.
https://youtu.be/oAVV83ccNa4?si=b_i6JBQ014_gedN3
wait wait ...can i throw my MOUNTAIN OF VITAMIN D on top of your pile??? I stocked up for the "apocalypse "!!!!😳😳😳😳
I’ve decided to donate mine to the neighborhood rodents.
Supposedly the altimeter readings you were giving to pilots was a measure of if they needed to fix their levelness with the earth. So as long as all the pilots are keeping that meter on whatever number you decided on that day they should stay level.
Not a pilot, but from what I thought I understood, the altimeter is a pressure altitude gauge that can internally adjust based on relative humidity or temperature and would not take into consideration the curvature of the earth, and flat-earthers would deny that function would be needed anyway. As you mentioned it is vitally essential for all pilots in a controlled area to dial in the current setting.
Like yourself, I honestly don't care what shape the earth is. I've always believed it to be round, when I thought of it at all, but in the grand scheme of things (global depop etc) it doesn't really matter. Everywhere I go on social media I see folks touting the Flat Earth thing. I never watch them because I'm not interested and have other things to concentrate my limited energies on.
But...one thing I now recognise as an absolute...the governments..all of them...lie. All the time. To us all. Everywhere. Always.
When I was a child my parents and grandparents always used to tell me to never believe anything the government said. As a child I appreciated this advice, then as a wayward teen I rebelled and didn't bother listening and now they are long gone and I wish I could say to their faces, "You were right. You were SO very right....".
I've also come to believe that there are no true individual governments on the face of the planet (or the table of it. Or flat page of it, or whatever folks believe in) but that all govs are mere mouthpieces for and subsidiaries of the military. And whomever runs that is probably (I obviously can't know for sure) simply the small group of people who can afford to fund them for any great length of time.
Government to me has always been just a slavery construct, put in place simply to keep the global population as under the thumb and controlled as possible.
I don't think I'll live to see the day we manage to delete all governments, their toxic systems and learn to look after our own selves. I'm too old. Even if I were young I don't think I'd be holding my breath for that.
But I can hope...
Valkerie, you're spot on with your remarks on governments. I actually touch on them here and the idea is governments are only there to "govern" your "mind". Here's an article on that idea from my book: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/enjoying-your-enslavement
I do want to say that Flat Earth does tie into the mind prison in many ways. As Bertrand Russell stated, if you can make them say snow is black, then you're winning (https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/they-would-never-do-that). To do this, they have to control all the sciences, education, and etc, to educate the masses that snow is black. That's the same thing they've done w/ the model of the world.
This is why I would argue the topic of FE is important. It goes to see just how much of their goal is to lie and sustain the lie. By continuing to lie about something that blatantly but still have much of the population believe in the lie, shows just how effective their propaganda and perception machine is. https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-spirituality-of-flat-earth
Great comment, and I do get your point. Speaking for myself though, it's just,, I'm old, very tired and have very limited energies these days, so I tend to concentrate on a limited viewpoint I try to get across to others ...as in, yes, they DO want us all dead and yes, we DO need to fight back or die.
Oh I concur. I never cared much whether the world is flat or round, as in what difference does it make in the general current scheme of lying. Cutting straight to the chase, they do want us dead. Simple.
I agree that the flat earth question is important. The breakdown of covid, viruses, globe, history, science, education, media = reality breakdown! Existential crisis If you want to save energy don’t worry about convincing anybody of anything. These realisations are personal and come by means of a personal process.
I totally understand why you don’t want to engage with the flat earth stuff - but that’s a program they have implanted in you that makes your mind ‘glaze over’.
Trust me (even though you don’t know me), when you finally allow yourself to fully look at the evidence presented for a flat earth and your mind finally grasps the fullness of the lie something unlocks inside and the whole house of cards they’ve built around us comes tumbling down leaving you free.
It is the key to your inner freedom. I would implore you not to ignore it if that’s something you value.
Wish I could 10x Like your comment. It is so true! I came around to the flat earth over a decade ago, and I ordered the Gleason map. Or maybe earlier, as it was only on Day 2 after 911 that I figured out the "story" was poppycock.
I'm too old too, but one can hope.
My mom used to say "we're all going to hell in a hand basket", she died over 24 years ago.
One hand basket?
Where is hell anyway?
Where the hell are you?
Well, I'm in Sweden, lol..and our Hell is actually Hel, this..."In Norse mythology, Hel is the queen of the realm of the dead. Every single person who dies from an illness, age, or is considered a coward or dishonorable by the Gods and Goddesses will end up in her realm called Helheim. This in relation to the Viking Age, meant if you didn’t die in battle you would simply just go to Hel."
Source if you want to read more...https://skjalden.com/hel/
I think we're all dying in battle at this point. So maybe Hel is completely empty or exploding at the seams.
Thanks for the link!
I'll check it out!!!
Valkrie jag är från Malmö och innan plandemin visste jag inte en enda människa i Sverige som var vaken. Jag är glad du finns.
Tack så mycket! men jag känner ingen annan i min närhet som är vaken heller, tyvärr.
they told us for 2K years that we should do not die in battle unless was for a God….ha ha ha. So clever.
Earth is hell.
Is Earth itself hell?
This is hell.
Maybe you would like this:
https://cjhopkins.substack.com/p/fighting-monsters?
Ahhh......so looking at our constellation reflected on the sky at night .....Alien/s could have been the colony planet "Mars" or Linne` crater on the moon map.
There is not solar system.
I can't know.
Maybe I'll spread my huge wings out and take a flight to see what I can discern.
The work of it is hellish.
The work of being human.
Of grieving.
Of letting go.
Of saying no and hoping someday to say yes.
I'm going to post a piece of mine, as I'm talked out today.
___________________
A Love Poem
A Meditation
The pond is deep and dark
You dive in
The water warm
You are surrounded by the depths of the deepest dark, giving in to faith, letting your insides untwist
Your limbs lengthening, stretching
You're coming home to yourself
You swim and swim
Your breath rhythmic, deepening
The water caressing your skin as it buoys you
Laying on your back
Supported suspended
You're lying on a soft mossy bed, the sun gentle on your skin
I place my hands on your chest, they are warm and kind, listening
Your chest expands and lightens
I slip my hands beneath your head, cradling it
I take the enormous weight of your head as your breath deepens and you feel yourself let go
This is love
It swirls around you, gentle voices playing at your ears
Let yourself breathe and soften
I am here
All around you
I can assure you if it was round there would be no water on it. Therefore, we would not have any floodway or floodplain and could build houses anywhere without government intervention from the Flood Control Districts.
Please don't,, folks...as I said previously, I'm old and tired and am focusing my energies, such as they are, on the fact the Globalists are currently depopulating the world and killing everyone I love. I will not be drawn into flat or round earth discussions. Thanks.
So how does FE explain:
—- the horizon?
—- 6 months alternating day and night at the poles?
—- the seasons?
—- hours of flight from Sydney to New York via Dubai and via Hawaii taking differences in time expected for a spherical earth?
Read books by Eric Dubay for answers
ERic Dubay's channel - https://www.youtube.com/@FlatEarthEric provides some intriguing research - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ox4Me95iSA
the serious flat earthers' website is at International Flat Eart Research Society - https://ifers.forumotion.com/
Funny how the Big and Little Dippers are always in the same spot in the night sky though, isn’t it?
And Polaris never moves! It is directly above the north pole located in the centre of our level Earth.
exactly that is because the big dipper is a reflection of what is on this “plane".
Yes but the magnitude of astronomical distance confuses us.
https://www.wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/mobile/2013/10/16/why-are-all-the-stars-fixed-in-space/
Not trying to convert you or anyone else. Your comment gave me precisely what I expected. A barometer reading, if you will.
Happy to be converted by reason and evidence. What is it?
Just to say for water staying on the earth the explanation (which I have no trouble believing) is:
The combination of gravity and the Earth's rotation keeps water and everything else firmly anchored to the surface of the planet, even though the Earth is spherical in shape.
If you wish to dispute that, go ahead.
Too big a subject for a comment page but all of these question are addressed in the FE model . Understanding requires your own research and also contemplation. But for arguments sake ask yourself: why do you believe in gravity? How in theory could that work? And why would the planet spinning help water to stick to it? It’s crazy but By every measure the earth is a stationary plane, but the best place to start is with direct experience and common sense.
My own research? Do you have a link to start me on my journey of how FE answers the phenomena mentioned?
What I wonder about is why a three-dimensional object is referred to by a term that can only refer to one of its planes. If the earth isn't round why not use a term that describes its shape as a whole?
They faked the lines with the Marcador system and when flying the routes do a Mobius ring. There is no horizon how they explained it to us in school. Alternating day and night?? Please! I see the moon in the US here at 1 pm and my sister sees it at night 6 hrs ahead 6000 miles away??
We probably have 2 suns or one is the reflection of the main one.
There is a wabbling movement of the bigger earth and a rotation movement.....but not the way we are told.
Mobius ring? Seriously?
So are all the pilots in on it or they don't know they're flying in a Mobius ring? What happens if there's an emergency landing? So what countries do they fly over for Sydney to New York via Hawaii and what via Dubai? For one or the other presumably they double over countries??
Please explain exactly how Sydney to New York works for the two different stopovers.
Because all flying routes have to stay close to land….they tell us it is for safety. Which brings the other issue I have: inexistent technology (consider commercial flights run still with a black box flight recorder). When I fly no way we are going around a globe in a curve but we are purposely curving to assigned route. No pilot would ever say a thing and if they noticed so what? The entire narrative is set to make us believe that anyone questioning it is a dimwit.
Think how the narrative is set to make us believe there is a space. Even in the flat earth model thing do not square up because it makes not sense. Now we are talking about an half sphere in space.
The curvature does not exist because we only occupy a very tiny portion of a enormous larger sphere.
This is interesting but doesn't say much at all. Engineers use assumptions in their models all the time. It makes calculations easier (assuming assumptions don't deviate too much from empirical data; hey! more assumptions! An assumption of assumptions!)
You can see it in these things you posted as well, when they mention non-turbulent flow. That's another assumption, which is obviously incorrect, but turbulent flow would require way more computational modelling because it is a fucking mess
Or when they mention that "the method (or shall I say model?) can be extended to more complicated geometries" they mean that they could adapt the model with more complicated equations to more complicated geometries like the geometry of a cylindrical Earth (yes this is a model you can use), or a spherical Earth, or an oblate spheroid Earth
These are just models that are not meant to represent reality perfectly. That's what models are. They are all wrong, but some are more useful than others, and some are easire to use than others. There are frictionless models, ideal gas models, constant acceleration models, etc. And these are all models that we *know* are nonsense, just empirically looking at it, it's not even like you need to be a super physicist to understand friction is always there dragging stuff, or that ideal gases don't exist, or that acceleration is not going to be perfectly constant. These are just models. Heck, even energy is a model. Energy is literally a model of some kind of property of an object to change its (or something else's) state. Energy isn't a thing in reality. You can't get an energy-meter and measure it. It's just a model. And interestingly, it doesn't mean that we are delussional and been lied to when people talk about energy. It is a useful concept.
Dude, your research with NASA and the dinosaurs and the virus stuff and some psyops is great, but I think you need to familiarize yourself with a little bit of physics to understand what these things are saying and what they are not saying... Like when you claim stuff like believing the Earth is spinning at 1000 mph is crazy and then show what 1000 mph is like in an embedded video, as though that video is supposed to mean anything. Just think about it, when you're in a train and going at a constant speed of 200 mph and you want to throw something across the aisle to your friend, you don't have to match the 200 mph on your pitch, you just throw it normally, as if you weren't even going 200 mph. Why is that? It's fairly intuitive why, and it's fairly intuitively expressed by what people call Newton's 1st law of motion. For this same reason, it's not crazy to believe that the Earth would be spinning at 1000 mph, and I'm not even saying that the Earth isn't flat in all of this, just that your misunderstanding of physics makes you read way too much into this when there might be other things that could be more compelling
Well said brother!
Thank you for some sanity here. Oh my goodness.
As you are saying, the most common and most convincing verification of "science" is if it works, but that doesn't mean the paradigm used is an authentic model of the real stuff:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/freaks-of-science
Yep
Although, I think this statement might be confusing "science" with technology, as in "the most common and most convincing verification of *technology* is if it works", not "science".
I think the best way to look at it is to have the definition of "science" be results that follow the *scientific method*. Everything else is inductive/deductive reasoning, speculation, trial and error, etc. This doesn't mean that speculation, reasoning and trial and error aren't part of the scientific method, it is to say that "science" should just be the process that follows the *scientific method*, which may or may not include those actions/processes.
I think this is an important distinction because people tend to confuse knowledge and technology with science, especially technology. They see something working and they say "woohoo, yay science!", and meanwhile the craftsman/engineer that made the thing work has no clue what's happening under the hood. He just knows the thing works for its intended purpose and may have an educated guess as to why it works (and sometimes, of course, may know exactly why something works). Of course, you can come in later and figure out how an airplane works, but the Wright Brothers were no high-level physicists that understood lift and aerodynamic curves perfectly, they were mechanics that made some junk with a propeller fly, even though the "scientists" at the time were certain flight was impossible (see lord Kelvin).
In the same way, knowledge is usually confused with "science". Knowledge of something doesn't mean it was derived from the scientific method. My eyes are brown. We don't need "science" to tell us that. That is just knowledge derived from an observation. No science involved/required.
Sorry for the tangent, but yes, you are right. I just think it is useful to separate the concept of "science" from technology. I think the best way is to have everything that uses the "scientific method" be called "science" and then everything else is a different category. Technology is the stuff we use that works for a specific puspose. And everything else is speculation, or inductive/deductive reasoning, or something else. Like, for example, the idea of "dark matter" falls outside the "scientific method", it is pure speculation to try to make the standard model of physics work, so I don't think it makes any sense to call it "science".
Let me know if I made any sense lol
I don't think you and I are talking about different things. Technology is science put to work, and I was talking about the ways "science" can be substantiated, out of which the highest everyday level comprises the usefulness and functionality of the finding in a scientific paradigm. (Please, read the brief article, if you are interested in the details.) The "scientific method" itself is a bad joke.
You, my dude, Charles , are just silly!🤣😎 so please, Wakey ² Sheeple grabbler!! You are lost in the sauce, like Proton!
Ass-u-me
Great stuff!
Here’s a thought where air flight is concerned. If the Earth were round, and you boarded a flight to a certain destination, then the airplane only needs to take off, align itself with the destination and the rotation of the earth, and let the destination come to it. The airplane would mainly need to hover. And the flight shouldn’t take that long due to the immense rotational speed of the earth; what’s that again 66k mph? The problem though, is landing.
Right? I mean this might be a physics problem. So if the earth is rotating so fast, then the airplane has to match that rotation speed and direction, then it has to increase speed so that it can safely touch ground and then apply the air brakes, if it needs to, since resistance will slow it down due to the earth’s rotational speed. Lo and behold if the airplane touches down opposite the rotational speed and direction as possibly all passengers would perish and the airplane would perhaps disintegrate.
Please, don’t waste my time and yours trying to factor gravity, cause that’s one of the biggest scientific scam of all time. Write your senator instead.
Now, how do they really calculate airfares when supposedly a flight from New York to London (Britain) may actually be fifteen minutes, but they fly for two hours in one direction and slowly turn back and land two hours later, for example?
Inquiring minds ought to know.
That’s how you know the earth isn’t a spinning ball, but it isn’t flat either!
Geocentricism: The Earth is a FIXED GLOBE, with a circumference, at the centre of the universe, with the sun and moon orbiting the earth. The Stars move in the aether. Space vacuum is a myth. Einstein's theory of relativity is bunk.
Did The Sun Stand Still and The Moon Stay or Did The Earth Stop Spinning and Moving - Joshua 10:13:
https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/geocentricism-did-the-sun-stand-still-and-the-moon-stay-or-did-the-earth-stop-spinning-and-moving-joshua-1013/
For the docs:
1. They simplify the math because curvature isn't relevant for short distances. Pitchers don't care about the earth's curvature, only the ball's.
2. What % of these kinds of docs are FE assumption vs RE assumption? Esp for long distances.
3. At the poles different stars are spinning, this is a projection on the dome Including parallax even?
4. An airplane never tried to go past the edge of the flat earth to the other side, or prove they would hit the "dome"? Where are the photos of the edge of the FE from the air (not of an ice wall which means nothing).
5. Considering the psyops they put on us, why is FE not a psyop? Makes perfect sense. If it weren't a psyop there wouldn't be such a sm and other media push for it.
Agent, debunk this on your next post, thanks.
https://themillenniumreport.com/2017/11/fake-flat-earth-conspiracy-finally-outed-as-cia-psyop/
As for why no pics, humans haven’t been allowed to freely explore Antartica since air travel became easily accessible for the masses.
https://theconversationprism.com/can-you-go-to-antarctica-without-permission/
Now the two spots you can visit on Antarctica? Rothschild and Deception Island.
Regardless of the reason, there are no photos of the edge or the "other side" of our frisbee, proof of a dome, etc. Plenty of reasons to see the world as round and the FE narrative as COINTELPRO but I don't want to spend time on those arguments.
There is no edge or other side of an infinite, topographicaly, level, stationary, horizontal, plane...Wakey ². You my man, are retarded, and I don't trust you!😎🤔🫵
If it is ok with you, please tell us politely what this means- do you mean to say the earth is infinitely flat, and the stars rotate on a dome or projection? What proof do you have to suport this? Even the standard FE model shows a finite sized earth.
"There is no edge or other side of an infinite, topographicaly, level, stationary, horizontal, plane"
I don’t really see how the alt media is pushing this at all. Alex Jones and infowars, arguably the most well known “truther” and alt media platform, still pushes the moon landings as legitimate. The real information on this topic is heavily censored: try searching “flat earth” on YouTube or any major search engine, all you will get is fallacious debunks of straw man arguments.
As for the claim that Scripture doesn’t teach this, that’s up for debate obviously. It’s simply untrue that this is entirely a new phenomenon unseen in Church history until 2014. There was a large resurgence of this movement in the 1800’s. Iraeneaus, writing in the 4th century, wrote about those who held the belief that the Earth was modeled after the Tabernacle of Moses, i.e. an enclosed plane. We have extant texts from the 5th century writings of Cosmas, a Christian theologian of some note who taught that the Earth was flat.
https://archive.org/details/christiantopogra00cosmuoft/page/n6/mode/1up
I don’t agree with his exegesis of the verses he uses, but Christians — admittedly not the majority — have absolutely turned to the Scriptures throughout history as vindication for their belief in a stationary, enclosed, topographical plane. It’s also fairly unambiguous that the ancient Hebrews believed this as well, see the late Dr. Heiser’s presentation on Old Testament cosmology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbPtym0NboU
Whether they are right or not is a separate matter, but any Christian (such as the author of the piece you linked) can’t say is that this is a CIA psyop since this idea predates the CIA by several millennia.
Thanks for your info Scipio. The CIA can take an old idea and breath life back into it. I personally never said what Christians did or didn't say about it. Fact is that the masses correlate FE with nutty ideas and that discredits any other non-official narrative ideas, even no-virus found, and gets conspiracy fact finders like us to argue with each other. There are a lot of FE vids and web sites-promoting FE, maybe I should have said that instead of "alt-media". Take care.
You posted a link that did address those issues, which is what I was responding to.
The science is far from settled on a host of issues that are considered “sacrosanct”, and I know I’m preaching to the choir on that one. I’ve seen plenty of folks argue against no virus, Apollo fakery, or a host of conspiracy topics using that same logic. I don’t find it compelling personally. I just want to know the truth: whether the masses will accept it or not, well, that’s not really been my concern for awhile haha.
“Isolating” the curve in my own experiments have proved rather elusive: https://dfreality.substack.com/p/bc-vi-what-is-the-circle-of-the-earth
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Ok, I understand the link said that yes, I wasn't focusing on that part of it sorry for confusion. The game for TPTB is to keep the masses in their beliefs of the official narrative, they need to keep conspiracy truthers (us) discredited so they (thru Intel) make up narratives and words to discredit us, "your a conspiracy theorist", "your a flat earther" (if the earth was flat then the RE would be their narrative). These keep the eyes rolling even when discussing blatantly true conspiracies like 9.11 or Iraq war. That's what the post we are reading here is all about.
I understand your point PM, I just fail to see how this particular topic is different from a host of other controversial topics in that regard. By that logic, one could say addressing the no virus issue is a distraction as well, we need to focus on XYZ. I don’t agree with that assertion obviously, merely pointing out that this particular logic cuts both ways.
I do agree that the term “flat earth” is inarticulate and has been turned into a thought terminating cliche, which is why I don’t use it.
I think we agree on many of the mechanisms and concepts-sure some disagreement is normal and my basic stance on every topic is that people do not need to agree on everything to have good feelings about each other-as you know I have about you. Let me just say that the stars are not fully aligned to dig into your query at this juncture, I will try to get back to you at proton speed. Yours truly PM.
Just as they correlate nutty ideas with disbelief of the moon landings, PM. The moon landings happened and there is zero evidence against them and masses for them. What there is also very clear evidence of are propaganda agents encouraging the disbelievers to disbelieve in the moon landings just as they encourage people to believe in FE.
same reason no ships are known to have ever circumnavigated the south pole: not allowed to go there (wonder why...).
Yes but that doesnt prove FE.
of course circumnavigating the south pole might or might not prove FE, but it does prove 'they' don't like us trying to find answers to legitimate questions about the shape of the earth.
Mary Lou! That doesn't prove that either, they might be hiding Illuminati control centers, testing of man-made flying machines aimed to suggest aliens, or just places they hide from the chem trails etc. Our guesses don't prove anything. Hey, lets write a book together called, "conspiracy guesses"!
LOL. 'curiosity killed the cat' - nah.
it shouldn't matter what or who's scooped up at the poles, or even why: there's many who'd like to know and so far we're not happy with the answers (total black out, more likely). we'd like to know why we can't "boldly go where no man's gone before" (h/t Star Trek).
Bullshit. You can prove it yourself as technology has caught up with the lie.
I can prove I am not rude to others in comments, but you are.
👉 By all means please show us photos of the edge, the other side or our frisbee, or the dome, some physical proof.
See your comment shows you either haven’t done any research at all or you’d know no genuine flat earther thinks we live on a pancake and if there wasn’t an Antarctic treaty that prevents us all from exploring the Antarctic region then we’d be able to settle this once and for all.
As for my rudeness, grow a pair. Because what your saying is actually bullshit.
Why don’t show me a true non cgi picture of a globe earth and outer space? Why don’t you show me a non manipulated image of Antarctica as a continent. How about YOU prove your argument without resorting to the fake shit NASA pumps out or some complicated mathematical modelling that no one can prove is true or not.
I can show you multiple evidences of a flat earth - you can in fact prove it to yourself by simply purchasing a P1000 camera and seeing how far over the supposed curve you can see.
FYI for anyone interested Substack (or something) is editing my comment in real time it seems as it has taken out a whole paragraph. It’s there when I go into edit but it’s not showing up in the published comment.
Why can't you possibly DYOFR(Do Your Own Fuckin' Research) for once, instead of just believing in google and Rachel Madcow's MSM. Are you a brainless retard, cause you are definitly not even a half way intelligent human being! Yeah, these are well deserved insults. Why would anyone trust you or like you? You are a sheeple grabbler, lying, shill, Gatekeeper? And nobody likes you, right? hehehe🤣😎🤔😉
https://themillenniumreport.com/2017/11/fake-flat-earth-conspiracy-finally-outed-as-cia-psyop/
"FE...is: a clever, satanic form of psychological warfare designed to divide and conquer by confusing, distracting and controlling the opposition who are slowly but surely learning that NO government agency is “for” the people. Government, like organized religion, is a CORPORATE BUSINESS, designed to lie to, steal from, and control the masses, who would otherwise rise up against them and their evil leaders and aims. If it looks like a COINTELPRO PSYOP, employs a myriad of well-documented signature mind-control tactics, rolls out fake and intentionally misleading DISINFORMATION in a sustained campaign of books, videos and interviews FILLED with outright lies and logical fallacies, and comes out of relative obscurity to do all of this at a critical juncture in human history where the world stands on the precipice of the third and FINAL world war…it’s a government controlled-opposition job managed by the so-called “intelligence” services. And anyone towing the government line, using the mind-control tricks of the CIA trade, is obviously a trained agent or asset."
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isn't that similar to the pot calling the kettle black? the surest way to discredit anything is describing it as a C*A psy-op.
Discredit by association of something the masses will roll eyes with and associate all conspiracies as nutty is not pot calling kettle black. The Kettle is just black. You can argue back or just simmer on it, I suggest the latter as I don't think it is valuable to have an argument.
very true, thnx. however, there is this silly rhetorical discussion tactic when one's asked to prove that the kettle's black (but let's not go there).
Fact is most people think FE is a nutty idea, ok lets forget about the kettle.
LOL
See the top left post on pole reversals
https://protonmagic.substack.com/
Especially when it’s true!
I think it may be hard for people to see how all these topics tie together. Like how does science tie into evolution, then tie into dinosaurs, then flat earth, etc. That's what made me write my book, "An Unorthodox Truth" that connects everything, but at a high level. And then, talk about, how all that is meant to keep YOU in a perception control. Here's an article if anyone's interested: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-history-of-you-a-book-that-connects
Just purchased your book (I'm in Australia so via Amazon). I'm looking forward to reading it.
Interestingly, NASA's translation to Hebrew means to 'beguile or deceive.'
One of the scientists brought to America (Operation Paperclip) and used to start NASA was Dr. Wernher Von Braun, known as the Father of NASA and he was an integral part of the rocket program. On Werner Von Braun's (1912 - 1977) tombstone, Psalm 19:1 is engraved; (To the chief Musician, a Psalm of David) ~ "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork."
EARTH is a sphere.
Like a snow globe. The container is spherical and we cannot leave it, period. We live on the plane in the middle, which is 'flat' like the surface of a bowl of chili.
Watch the "Space X Deception" on YT to see what happens when we try to leave.
some call it biblical earth: a flat suface, the 'circle of the earth', over which stands a protective dome ('heavens') - Isaiah 40:21-22: ....have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth...
https://www.bible.com/en-GB/bible/1/ISA.40.kjv
A globe is a circle in all directions.
indeed, but try to explain that to your geometry teacher ;-))
I don't have a teacher other than Yashua Messiah.
Geocentricism: The Earth is a FIXED GLOBE, with a circumference, at the centre of the universe, with the sun and moon orbiting the earth. The Stars move in the aether. Space vacuum is a myth. Einstein's theory of relativity is bunk.
Did The Sun Stand Still and The Moon Stay or Did The Earth Stop Spinning and Moving - Joshua 10:13:
https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/geocentricism-did-the-sun-stand-still-and-the-moon-stay-or-did-the-earth-stop-spinning-and-moving-joshua-1013/
There is a reason , in this inverted reality, that so much propaganda about a turning world begins blanketing us at birth and it's important, because if you are always moving, then you can't be standing still (sovereign, centered, level-headed acting from reason, trusting your own observable reality). Learning to trust ones self and where you stand as you look across the (horizon/horizontal/plane) and look up at the sky as it turns creates dissonance when so much says otherwise. There will always be mystery, uknowns, energetic fields explained as "matter," but the world/whirled is not what we were told and there is a reason they want the masses to believe it is spinning out of control hurling through darkness. No one needs science, not even the mysteries, to know the answer to this riddle, as it lives inside everyone's heart and soul........each much then ask themselves, does it rock or does it roll?
Interesting they always state the assumption, suggesting alternatives exist.....just not for us😂
Cheers
is there any military or NASA technical document (excluding marketing, civilian outreach materials) that doesn’t specify flat, non-rotating earth?
The way I saw the horizon every time I traveled by airplane, the horizon was curved.
You are looking out of the window in the side of the plane not the front of the plane. There are plenty of videos taken by pilots from the front windows which are designed for clear visibility that show the horizon is horizontal. GoPro camera lenses provide a curved view. Perhaps those small plane windows do as well.
This is not enough to prove the earth is flat. Show us what happens to the plane at the edge of the disk, it either hits the "dome" or it flies past and we can see the frisbee part of the earth (where are the photos of the frisbee edge or hitting the dome?), or, if the plane never turns, then if the earth is round it keeps going until it gets back to where it started.
No plane never gets to the edge of the disk. That would be well below 60 degrees south latitude. Show me a flight path that goes over or very near the south pole. Better yet - how about a "great circle" route over or near the south pole?
Fact is there is no proof of an edge of a disk or a dome. Have a great day.
we're not allowed to do independent research on the ice wall at the south pole (it's a militarised area).
No one has ever Circumnavigated the world North/ South, never ever! It's impossiball, dude! Millions or maybe billions have Circumnavigated West/ East or East/West! Don't you think that is odd? It ain't no fuckin Disk, dude! I can see you are still lost in the sauce, proton!🤔😎🤣 please, stay the hell off Google!
When I check last time in high school, lights had to be on 15" poles or higher in order to be visible from the other side of an 8-mile-wide lake. Galileo's pendulum also suggests that the Earth rotates, and the rotation can be verified by three pendulums on various parts of the Globe. Beyond that, already Plato observed that the least convincing sources of information are the senses. Truth judgments have various levels, and lower ones are ignored by the person. The most convincing "truths" are based on existential needs:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/what-makes-you-think-you-are-right
on pendulums, here's Foucault's: '....Scientists who have repeated variations of the experiment have conceded time and again that “it was difficult to avoid giving the pendulum some slight lateral bias at starting.” The behavior of the pendulum actually depends on 1) the initial force beginning its swing and, 2) the ball-and-socket joint used which most-readily facilitates circular motion over any other.....' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLlLWFbF5Eo
The friction can be calculated, and it is negligible compared to the pin's movement in the sand. Granted, the material of the rope can make a LOT of difference, but that can be eliminated by using various materials of various threads. The suspension point is unlikely to cause a problem as long as it can move loosely with the same amount of friction.
Horizon has absolutely no curvature from a plane at 30,000 feet. Zilch. Look again.
because of the airplane's passenger windows (slightly distorting; GoPro cameras do that as well: fish-eye lens).
Yes?
plane windows are usually curved glass. Cameras often use a fish-eye lens giving a curved view to the flat horizon.
There are lots of other ways to prove that the Earth is a globe. I'm not interested in an argument.
The field of view by the human eye, will produce a circular boundary, 360° view , so to speak.
As the developed optimal retina display by apple, clearly shows there a limit to our resolution.
Therefore the "corners" would be out of viewing distance since we see in ocular circular patterns, with only the focus being high rez and the boundary vision being "interpreted" by the minds construct.
Love all the thinking here, your some very smart people, I'm learning every day.
The towers still need to come down, and they will, they didn't spend all that money for nothing, even if the biotech network can operate person to person, there has to be collection points! Satellites don't cut it for full coverage.
CBDC requires them also.
Our view is determined by our source of observation , first.
Cheers
It ain't spinning because as anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows, if you are standing on something that's in motion you'll feel it. Does anyone feel the earth moving? I sure as Hell don't. If it ain't spinning, it sure as Hell ain't a round ball. How the Controllers just love to mind fuck us.
James 3:13
“Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.”
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Although Zeno's Paradox about Achilles and the tortoise proves that there is such a thing as the smallest distance, integral calculus is not needed for building bridges, just like the theory of relativity can be applied only in macrophysics, while microphysics uses an incompatible paradigm.