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Roman S Shapoval's avatar

Another reason why we all need to make our own cheese and support our own local farmer.

Elsa's avatar

Too much work, to make my own cheese. I prefer to support locally-made products.

Agent 1-4-9's avatar

And shredded cheese is loaded with the antibiotic natamycin. Parmesan contains sawdust. Yum!

Andrew Bonniwell's avatar

If I had a ripsaw, I could make Parmesan..😁👍

Mara's avatar

Ripsaw and the little chemist starter set 😉

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Agent 1-4-9's avatar

Correct. I wasn't referring to the real Parmesan cheese.

Mara's avatar

I live in Germany and there was tests of the cheapo Parmesan-bagsyou can buy in different convenient chains. There was sawdust in them also. And very little real Grana Padano or Peccorino.

Mara's avatar

Sorry to disappoint you, but if somebody would ask me if I want to learn all about cheese my answer is yes, please. :-)

I spent a summer on an alp in Switzerland where they kept sheep and goats and made cheese. Actually you don't necessarily need rennet for cream cheese and soft cheeses. For medium and hard you do, though.

I have a couple of vegan friends (not the woke type, more like original Hippies not wanting to harm any animal.) I keep trying to tell them not to buy vegan processed food. I think it' s pure poison, including of course the more than disgusting fake cheese.

B12 is a Myth's avatar

There's nothing natural about stealing milk from a mother meant for a baby animal of another species. In fact, that's why humans are all lactose intolerant -- it makes you sick sooner or later. As for "vegan processed foods" it's no more processed than the other junk on the shelves. However, Miyoko's makes non-dairy cheese using only these ingredients - Filtered Water, Organic Coconut Oil, Organic Cashews, Organic Tapioca, Agar, Sea Salt, Cultures.

Mara's avatar

I am definitely not lactose intolerant. I see your point, but in my view there is a vast difference in living in a symbiosis of taking and giving with animals and factory farming them. (Not to say, that I have reached that goal) We are omnivores, though, we cannot survive on vegan food without malnourishment. That is a fact. Even the Jaina drink milk.

And sorry, but every vegan "cheese" I have evertried tasted like crap. Especially the coconut oil, that gives it this sickly sweet taste. I love vegan food (no replicated meat-stuff, but real dishes), but I also need dairy, eggs and meat at times.

B12 is a Myth's avatar

Just because you don't immediately have an allergic reaction doesn't mean you're not lactose intolerant. Cheese is loaded with animal hormones that are toxic to humans plus every other chemical that went into the cow -- vaccines, steroids, antibiotics, and synthetic hormones -- and lab-made casein to make it more addictive.

I've been vegan since 1982 and I quit going to doctors decades ago. I run into long-term vegans like myself all the time that look and feel 20 years younger than we are. The founder of the Vegan Society, Donald Watson, lived to be 95 years old, he was vegan for over 63 years. You’re told lies that we’re all malnourished by the industries that veganism threatens (pharma, animal ag). I’ve never taken any supplements and don’t believe in the B12 deficiency propaganda (it’s a total scam made in drug labs).

There’s no way to “take” from animals that is symbiotic. It’s always an exploitative situation where the humans are oppressors who do things to them without consent, steal their families and freedom, and hold them against their will, then kill them when they’re just babies.

We’ve all been fooled into thinking meat, dairy and eggs are good for us and necessary, the animal agriculture industry is very powerful -- but as soon as you realize what they actually are (products of extreme suffering loaded with pus and blood) you lose your craving for anything that tastes too “real” or similar. I’d implore you to watch some slaughterhouse footage and see if that looks like “food.”

I highly recommend the Treeline brand of plant-based cheeses – they have goat-style cashew cheese, French Style Herb Garlic, aged artisanal cashew cheese/smoked gouda, etc. High quality ingredients (Cashews, Filtered Water, Sea Salt, Cultured Brown Rice, Lemon Juice, Scallions, Garlic, Onion, White Pepper, Basil, Oregano, Cultures) Unfortunately Miyoko’s no longer sells their sharp cheese because they NAILED it but their other products all made from cashews are great.

My basic daily staples are fruits, legumes (lentils, peas, beans that you can make hundreds of dishes from like humus and stews), sunflower seed butter, dark leafy greens with ground up seeds, vinegar and avocados, raw vegetables. The only frozen/processed foods I trust any more are Amy’s non-dairy but Wicked Kitchen had incredible pizzas – just not enough vegans to keep them afloat financially, unfortunately. If you want more plant-based delicious foods that aren’t full of chemicals, then we need more vegans to compete with the prices!

Why do you think medical doctors don’t tell you to stop eating meat, dairy and eggs? They’re salesmen for pharma who work hand-in-hand with the animal factory farms that churn out sick, genetically modified animals laden with tumors and open sores. Even the 1% of so-called free range are crammed in warehouses and the other 1% of “pasture-free” all end up in a filthy slaughterhouse.

Mara's avatar

Btw, I don't need a lecture on either vegan or organic food, I delved deeply into the subject and I have vegan friends, but that is not the lifestyle I choose for myself. I completely understand the Motivation behind it, but this is a quirk of modern times. When society collapses, which it most probably will, you will not survive for long on lentils alone.

Mara's avatar

You know, my grandmother eat 2 eggs daily and meat every other day since she survived the second World war, she lived to be 98 and was perfectly healthy. So this are just anecdotal examples, mine too of course.

If you don't want to eat animal produce, why do you feel the need to Mimik it? That doesn't make any sense to me.

And yea, you do live in a symbiosis, as you feed and care and shelter your animals im exchange for eggs or milk or meat. Otherwise they would either not exist at all or be wild to fend for themselves. Might be a freer live, but a harsher one.

It's maybe not as much about what you eat, but how it's grown or kept, I grant you that, but a completely vegan diet is unnatural for humans. And I really get annoyed, when vegans try to make their carnivore pets vegan. We all have different needs that need to be catered for. The poisoning of our food supply is a completely different Story of course, but you have that with soy and Vegetarier and Rice big time as well.

GundelP's avatar

Next time you'll be invited this type of debate, just show this. Barry Groves: Homo Carnivorus What We Are Designed to Eat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn5zdWucv6I

This is science, your type of stomach and gut are the main points of what kind of diet you should eat. The main point is that herbivore animals have the stomach, gut, enzymes to convert veggies and green stuff into fat. We don't! But no matter where you look cow or gorilla everything eaten will be converted into fat for "fuel".

I full heartedly agree with you on many points. We were designed on a certain way, together with animals and plants, we can't screw that design or we can't live for long if we do. I also think that as long as we care, keep them on a good, natural way, we can give and can take away (we have to because of our design).

I think we are much more carnivores than anything else, we can be a bit of omnivores but not herbivores. Cheese (if real) still is an animal based product.

Mara's avatar

I'll check it out, cheers. 😊

Yeah, we don't necessarily need to eat meat, but we need animal produce for B12, omega3 and stuff like that for definit. Actually, I am ok with people wanting to be vegan, I just don't like being missionized by them. (Is that even a word). Also I think they are belying themselves, but that's their Problem.

B12 is a Myth's avatar

If you were a true omnivore or carnivore, you would be able to eat the animal while still alive, screaming, and struggling to get away like every single bear or lion on earth does. Can you do that?

It's just fact that humans have zero mental or physical capability to do this -- no claws or razor sharp fangs to tear and chew through flesh and bone, and overwhelming feelings of repulsion if you even tried.

Do you salivate with hunger when you see a cow, chicken, dog or pig walk by, or a bird or fish?

Every species is designed to eat LIVING FOODS - for humans this is plants. which lack brains or CNS.

You've been FOOLED and LIED TO by animal agriculture for centuries to think eating corpses and bodily secretions is normal or necessary. Follow the money trail and the SUBSIDIES.

B12 is a Myth's avatar

No, I don’t feel a need to mimick meat or eggs, as anything too real is disgusting to me. But for 27 years I ate burgers, pizzas, burritos, fried chicken, meatloaf, grilled cheese sandwiches, tuna salad, etc., it’s the comfort food I grew up loving and being addicted to – vegans are just supposed to eat salads? I still can enjoy such items as long as the texture and taste isn’t too real and no animal was tortured and slaughtered for it. None of the daily staples I listed that I eat are mimicking meat or eggs either.

Eggs have always grossed me out, that white part looks like drool or stringy nose mucus and there’s that red dot of blood in there. I refused to eat them as a child, they always tasted rotten. I hated drinking cow’s milk as well, which also had mucus in there, turns out it was actually pus (somatic cells formed by infected udders from being used as a milking machine). I also hated a lot of meats, like liver and lamb and steaks or anything with bones, just chewing the texture grossed me out. I believe as a child I instinctively knew I wasn’t supposed to be eating animals, all of whom I dearly loved.

As for vegan pets, there’s no such thing. You do what’s best for the health of the animal. Dogs can live to be 27 on a plant-based diet (Guinness Book of World Records) as they are omnivores, but cats are obligate carnivores. I do not agree with vegans feeding their cats a plant-based diet specifically meant for humans.

The bottom line is that there’s nothing “normal” about eating corpses of dead animals, drinking milk meant for baby cows, and eating eggs meant to hatch baby birds. Slave owners fed their slaves and put a roof over their head too – does that make it okay to own slaves as long as you don’t beat them?

You’ve been indoctrinated all your life not to question what you eat and to believe animals are here to be used. I may be a unique case but I welcomed the change in my diet and eagerly gave up meat and milk and eggs just after seeing a TV show about what was done to cows back in 1982. But most people fear change, are very self-centered, and really don’t give a crap about animal suffering. With those type of folks I just move on because I don’t like to waste my time, and it feels like that here, so I only hope one day you wake up to what you’re really eating – you’re swallowing suffering, and there’s a karmic effect when you’re aware but you still continue.

GundelP's avatar

Just for you:

https://theroselab.com/music-from-plants/vera-the-aloe-vera-plant-sings-solo-soprano/

Enjoy, then imagine your salad last beautiful song before being eaten. It is a cruel world you know, a perfect recycling world but cruel as everything which lives, feels. With this rate we either learn to survive on sunlight and water only or die.

GundelP's avatar

" Cheese is loaded with animal hormones that are toxic to humans plus every other chemical that went into the cow " - maybe. But the cow had a liver, kidneys and already filtered the veggies with herbicides and pesticides.

GundelP's avatar

I don't know, I've never experienced lactose intolerance, neither my husband, part of the story we ate mainly raw milk products, including drinking only raw milk. Common sense tells, if you want a "supplement" full with everything needed, then go for raw milk, eggs, caviar, etc because if the content is good enough to raise an animal on it, then it is good enough to give you all the necessary trace minerals, enzymes, vitamins(?), etc. Even - allegedly - meat and animal fat are good enough - research carnivore diet with all its benefits.

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Mara's avatar

Thank you for the recommandation. I don't know him, but it sounds like a book I need! And want, of course.

If I will survive this madness, that seems to be looming ahead, I reckon a cheesemaker will be in more demand than any of my other skills 😂

CChurch's avatar

As long as there are cows left too. Perhaps there’ll be sheep and goats but cows are certainly in the firing line don’t you think?

Mara's avatar

They are. Another victim in the great battle between darkness and light in my opinion.

Christine the Strawberry Girl's avatar

I mostly buy raw cheeses when I can find it but now I’ll need to find out if it’s made with animal rennet…

I work in a very large nursing home, 350 residents, and the kitchen corporation is asking for residents to volunteer their dna to give them a “healthy diet” specifically made for their own dna🤨

And we have Covid smelling dogs that visit periodically to “test” (to isolate) these poor folks(even though they are highly boosted with their 9th c19 shot)

GundelP's avatar

OMG, covid smelling dogs?? Wow, just grab an EMF meter, your heart emits 1-2 V if you are not vaccinated. Then compared it to the vaccianted ones. Dogs probably feel the unnatural electrical charge.

Christine the Strawberry Girl's avatar

The residents had their 11th booster last April and will get their 12th in October:(

I have an emf meter but not sure how to recognize the different volts of a vaxxed vs non vaxxed. What brand meter do you use?

Unfortunately, I was a snoozing loon and went against my better judgment and got 2 kill shots. Jan 2021 I took the 2nd and it made me violently ill, which did wake me up where I’ve steadily have learned I live in the twilight zone.

GundelP's avatar

I can’t really test it myself as we are not vaccinated and living in a foreign country I don’t have close enough friends to test it on them. Also because some would be freaked out even from the thought but proof on the spot. But I can tell you the source of info. We tested on ourselves, the EMF meter was turned (antenna direction) towards the heart, distance a couple of centimetres, ours are constantly 1-2 V/m, cats heart emit 2-3 V/m. The guys who tested it on vaccinated people claimed that those hearts emits 67-70 V/m if I recall well. My meter is a Cornet 2 (one of the best according to reviews and expensive enough). The source of info, around 20 minutes it start to become very interesting:

https://rumble.com/v43eig2-documentary-next-dose-iii-do-we-still-need-more-proof.html?e9s=src_v1_upp_a

What I can tell you experiencing first hand:

People do have MAC address, MAC is a protocol and must be identifiable as the first 6 tags refer to the manufacturer and the second 6 to the device itself, but dose MACs popping up 50-100 in a crowded place cannot be identified. They tried to hide it, hence you need a very old Android op.system (6-7) to see or an additional application like Bluetooth Scanner but they are there. MAC means a low frequency communication, basically the level of bluetooth, for an EMF sensitive person it is just as harmful as using a device with bluetooth (the famous shedding phenomenon which was not shedding but this) Dogs are very likely more sensitive hence they can detect it.

Rest: If you remember the phenomenon of vaccinated sticking to the fridge door or magnets sticking to them - where there is electricity, there is magnetism (magnetic field)

A buy called Ricardo Delgado (La Quinta Columna) tested her mother’s head (vaccinated mother) with an EMF meter, recorded on video, absolute abnormal values and alternating current.

Christine the Strawberry Girl's avatar

I can stick magnets on myself and other injected people. I don’t know many un injected who will agree to try but I bet everyone is loaded with magnetic materials at this point. The injections are spreadable. And we are getting it from air/water/food.

Heather B's avatar

What I wonder is how they figured out that they need animal rennet to make the cheese in the first place. A cow vomited in the milk bucket and the milk turned to cheese? This is another question that will keep me up at night. 😂

GundelP's avatar

Kefir has a similar looking past. Goat stomach filled with milk. :)

B12 is a Myth's avatar

The real question is whose bright idea was it for humans to start drinking milk meant for baby cows?

GundelP's avatar

You would sound a bit more honest without emotional blackmailing "baby" they called calves (I think - English is not my first). As long as your baby cow can get enough I don't mind drinking the rest at all. But almost every time I drink my raw milk I remember to say a big, honest thank you to the cows for that. Matters or not I feel better in this way.

B12 is a Myth's avatar

Emotional blackmailing? Are you bereft of emotions for all animals, or is it just cows? By raw, do you mean you drink the milk straight from the cow’s udders? That’s kind of abnormal, don’t you think? As a child I was forced to drink milk and I hated it. It tasted like mucus and phlegm, which isn’t surprising because it’s loaded with blood and somatic cells allowed by the FDA. Forget the baby cow it’s meant for… that’s just nasty.

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Heather B's avatar

Thank you, It's been a sleep deprivation week. Whew! ❤️

GundelP's avatar

A bit off but as about my sleepless nights, how people could learn that which mushrooms can be eaten and which are poisonous. I mean how many victims and why carry on experiencing with the knowledge it could kill them. Or did we get a certain knowledge at a point of human his-story about these? Including rennet.

AJ's avatar

In the United States, one must pay roughly double for food that won't make you ill and eventually kill you. All of our health-related three-letter agencies are commandeered entirely by the corpocracy that both political parties have allowed to metasticize for money. Now shut the fuck up and pay your taxes, peasants. Israel and Ukraine need bombs and Kosovo needs an LGBTQ+ initiative.

Morton Threlkjeld's avatar

I remember in 1995 when they got caught releasing GMO corn into corn chips for humans. It was oops, our bad. We meant to feed it to the cows you eat. And no one batted a freakin’ eye. 30 years later, and the population is even more passive. Mexico won’t take our garbage corn which tells you plenty. Weaken and destroy the first world and drag it to the turd world.

jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

I have been discussing this, or at least trying to, with my local cheesemonger at the New Seasons grocery. They are, of course, much in denial and ignorance. Your article, I will print out and give.

Monica's avatar

I have been reading the ingredients on a lot of cheese lately and avoiding the ones that don't have animal rennet. I buy mostly from a local farm that uses their own rennet, but I have found that cheese from Europe typically (if not always) is made with animal rennet and they also don't add the anti-fungal.

Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

I like the jokes that sneak in.

Condoms and adrenachrome.

They're so smart - why don't they get Fizzer to make chocolate flavour adrenochrome.

Veronica Evans's avatar

Most likely they have already!

MoodyP's avatar

We buy our cheese from Williams in Pinconning MI. Local milk. Local owners. Family business for like 100+ years. On-site production. No Pfizer for them! LOL.

Veronica Evans's avatar

Ok, but don’t all farmers have to vaccinate their cows? And aren’t all these animals vaccines mRNA based now? Doesn’t the mRNA animal vaccines (aka known as COVID-19 vaccine) infiltrate the organs and the milk of the cows in the same way it does in humans?

Mara's avatar

I am not so sure if that vaccine would survive the pateurisation process. I think it's a little fearporn. Maybe raw meat and cheese is not that safe, but even there. It's not like you inject food. You know those Indios that kill their pray with curare darts? It kills the animal, when the poison enters the bloodstream, but they can injest the meat no problem.

GundelP's avatar

There is no mRNA in them. Just poisons (metals, rare metals, GO based nanotech) the mRNA part is a lie.

https://rumble.com/v4n6hsn-analysis-on-covid-19-vaccines-performed-by-prof.-lorena-diblasi-and-dr.-mar.html?e9s=src_v1_upp

While I am not sure what happens with the nanotech after the death of the animal (probably stays based on the MACs measured in cemeteries), animals still have their liver and kidney for depoisoning, one would think that that filtering matters a bit at least, but who knows?

On the other hand, milk can be tricky. Animals push out poisons even using the milk which leave their body. I breed cats, I saw this "phenomenon" a couple of times during the decades.

Danrn's avatar

Thanks for the information!

Seismic7's avatar

No one can escape the incremental surreptitious horrors of food adulteration by GMO s..by insertion of plastic or synthetic parasites,food waste by products ...graphene ,other insidious biochemical adulterants..not only limited to canola oil,processed sugars..carcinogens. deleterious..,unhealthy colorants..etc So many scams..so few rational laws..so little time**

It's a real monster mash. A veritable graveyard smash..who benefits primarily....the bioethics depopulation satanists.*. The gentleman who published this fine article commentary has done the world a favor *Thank You.God Bless.

Fanta Sea's avatar

I haven't been able to find good cheese here in ages. The timing of your post though lol, last week I was craving cheese so much, but knew buying it wasn't an option, so we made mozzarella cheese out of our raw milk. We used the just add vinegar method. It was very easy and tasty.

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Nah, the vinegar separates the curds and whey, we got mozzarella cheese using ONLY raw milk and vinegar (and salt for taste).

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Fanta Sea's avatar

Gal, not guy, and I don't have to take homework assignments from strangers on the internet LOL. I made it, then ate it. And yes, it did take heat too.

You don't have to believe me, or look it up, but you can shut up and move along.

Chris's avatar

They never tire of poisoning us.

Farmer Pete's avatar

I always wondered wtf "rennet" really was. I had a sense it was something that had been tinkered with as far as large production (because corporations always go for the cheapest methods)...

Know anything about "vegetarian enzyme" ingredient listed in cheese? We mostly buy 'organic valley' raw milk cheese. No rennet on the ingredient list, but vegetarian enzyme is. Sounds similar to the rennet to me and searching for good info gets fuzzy because it either steers you back to rennet or a bunch of pages of vegan websites. It appears there are actually vegetables/plants used to make rennet or enzymes, but since mold & fungus are not animal, they can be folded into "plant" on the label as the microbial version you speak of...

And of course "enzymes" are another hot off the shelf supplement... cuz apparently they help you digest stuff.

Mara's avatar

Any cheese you can cut needs rennet. Only cottage cheese, cream cheese and the likes don't. If you want a vegetarian option, they will always use fake rennet, whatever these enzymes are made of. Could be from harmless to totally toxic.

Farmer Pete's avatar

Organic Valley (Raw Milk Cheddar) does not list any rennet. Only "vegetarian enzyme". Is that a rennet substitute as part of the fermentation process?

According to article by 'Food Renegade', if it's listed as Organic or NON-GMO it cannot have the FPC as rennet...but what about the "vegetarian enzyme"??

I feel like a lil lab rat in a maze. LOL

I did find out that the "Raw" in RMC from Organic Valley does not actually mean raw. It means the FDA decided that you can heat treat your milk up to 161 degrees before it becomes pasteurized. Therefore you can call it raw.

Fuck it. I work on a farm. We have no dairy cows (yet), but I reckon I can find someone around here who makes their own cheeses. Then I can just ask them instead of having to try and translate 16 different corporate code words for ingredients. Haha!

Mara's avatar

The enzyme is basically the rennet imitation/substitude. It can be made from different plants and I think even totally synthetik. But if it says organic, non-gmo I would opt to believe it. (Still that naive, I guess 😂) I think we shouldn't get totally anxious over our food, after all we have survived their onslaught up to now and the mind plays a huge part in your well-being. You can think yourself sick basically, as well as heal yourself. I try to be sensible while staying practical.

You are a farmer, believe me, you are miles ahead... one of the most importent Jobs of all.

Farmer Pete's avatar

Yeah, good point. I don't get too caught up. We are doing things mostly right and ahead of the proverbial bell curve. With a clan of 5 we still have to hit the "super"market to supplement the home grown and I may have gotten a bit lazy the last few years on the label reading.

Agent's series on so-called vitamins really reinvigorated me. My supplement shelf was already pretty cleared out, but one thing I made a move on was soap and shampoo. Turns out "organic" shampoos just means "new/different chemicals to replace the ones highly recognized as dangerous". Mix 1 or 2 organically "derived" ingredients with a bunch of chemies and just shout on the label about what it does NOT have in it...these fuckers are clever.

Being as it is entering weekend margarita season, guess I really shouldn't micromanage my cheese consumption.

Mara's avatar

I think self-sufficency is nearly impossible to manage nowadays. Specially with kids.

The vitamin series shook me up quite a bit as well. I was an avid Vitamin D user and now I really don't want to take it any longer 🫣

I still take Gelee royal (royal jelly?) and I have these capsules with powdered reindeer innards which are supposed to cover all essential vitamins, but I am not so sure any longer. The deeper you dive, you realize how little you know, I get the feeling 😂

Mark.Kennard's avatar

Here’s a challenge. When you take all the fat out of milk, the milk is no longer white. It takes on a blue tinge. This means that non-fat milk has to have something added to it to make it white again. Any idea what it could be? And why we aren’t being told. I react to non fat milk. I’m allergic to titanium dioxide so it could be that but I’ve been unable to confirm it