Heretic, per your recommendation, I went and checked out Mitchell's PURE SYNERGY site. They have quite a bit of product. I think I counted over 40 different pill and powder bottles depending on what the customer is looking for. It does all sound very nice and the 'gentle' processing is appealing as well. If I were still a supplement take…
Heretic, per your recommendation, I went and checked out Mitchell's PURE SYNERGY site. They have quite a bit of product. I think I counted over 40 different pill and powder bottles depending on what the customer is looking for. It does all sound very nice and the 'gentle' processing is appealing as well. If I were still a supplement taker, I would probably try some of these things out.
One thing I am noting is this quote under testing for purity section...
"We don't just assume that our meticulous sourcing protocols result in high-quality ingredients – we prove it with internal or third-party testing.
"We test for things we don't want in our ingredients, like heavy metals, microbes, pesticides, solvent residues, and gluten. And we also test for what we do want, like vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, and potency levels."
It is my understanding that so-called vitamins have never been truly isolated and characterized. They are a human invention. A "vitamin" was only ever a newly created end product after a gauntlet of chemical adulteration of the original materials... which would lead me to ask Pure Synergy, what 'test' is finding the alleged vitamins? Is it validated? I am curious enough that I might ask them what microbes they are testing for and why/how?
I also have to wonder what effect pulverizing and dehydrating a real food into powder form (even without chemicals) has on it. Maybe nothing. But unless I was going on a long journey, I'd probably just get it and eat it fresh/whole. Maybe we just need to teach people how to find the local farmers markets (meet and speak with them), and spend a little money on gas instead of hundreds of dollars on pills n' powders... that is, if they haven't sorted out how to grow it themselves.
It does trouble me that in order to sell these end products, you have to give them various "vitamin" labels (C, B, K2, etc..) and I have not seen evidence that such things 'exist' in the form everyone believes they do.
Perhaps, if I can find the time, I will pose these questions to them myself.
Excellent comment and questions, Pete. It is a new revelation to me that vitamins have never been isolated and characterized. Well known and respected herbalists like the aforementioned Dr. Schultz (and there are many others) insist that their herbal and botanical, organic products are chock full of vitamins, minerals, enzymes, phytonutrients, etc. etc. Concomitantly, viruses have never been proven to exist either and the so-called science of virology is based on fraud. What they say are viruses are really images of dead and dying cells from toxemia. On topic, the atom has never been found or proven to exist. So how has it been "split" in the process of creating atomic and nuclear weapons? According to quantum physicists, everything at that level of being is just wave function. How do you split a wave? These things are definitely worth looking into and researched empirically. I can honestly say that over a broad span of years, many health supplements, the food form organic ones, have helped me tremendously. I note very carefully that a very high number of people who shun such supplements and consume strictly food bought at stores and restaurants, seem to get sick a lot and die relatively young, if not very young.
Heretic, my curiosity got the best of me. I contacted Pure Synergy customer service. and they responded in a very thorough manner. They actually listed every "third party" lab & testing program they use (for bacteria, mold, pesticides, and gluten). I was surprised that they use an Elisa 'antibody' test for the gluten. So I only got what they 'test not for'... I had originally asked to include how they test for "vitamins", which I guess they will call "nutrient content"... and subsequent purity. I followed up asking specifically for that. Cuz god damn, I wanna know.
Personally, I don't really give a damn about bacteria and mold, given what I understand about them. Seems like if you were just growing real food without spraying crap all over it (and converting it into a pill), you could just tell your customers that rather than having to put it through a gauntlet of 7 different corporate/FDA created microbial tests to demonstrate it isn't garbage. But I want to know how they identify the "vitamin C", etc....
@dpl and I paid to get some supplements tested just to learn the process. He wrote a great post on it. Through testing I discovered a major flaw: they do not test for non disclosed ingredients. The test is for levels of elements, such as uramium, which was present and undeclared on the label, but not what I was seeking. This Is the Gold Standard. This means these labs are not testing for any byproducts or other foreign materials. To get foreign material lab results a second test is required, which nobody uses.
Combine this with the information you gathered and we have quite a debacle here regarding what exactly is in the bottle of 100% unregulated "heath".
Heretic, I skimmed through the Nobel Prize article. In the past I have tried to locate the original vitamin isolation papers that should be around where all these knighted scientists allegedly discovered Vitamins A-Z... they make claims of isolation... which we have all since discovered can be changed to meet the definitions required by scientific 'authority' (see "virus isolation"). I can't find them. They should be everywhere for such a proud day in science. The article mentions "obtained pure crystals from the fractional extraction of rice polishings" (which apparently lead to prizes for discovering B). But try to find the scientific paper showing how they got these crystals. Maybe Agent can dig it up...I run into dead ends.
You put Christiaan Eijkman (the Nobel prize winner for discovery of B) and Thiamine into PubMed and all you get is an abstract from a 2012 nutritional journal that says he compared chicken health from 2 different diets of polished (heavily milled and processed) rice vs. natural brown rice. Rocket surgery...LOL... whole foods are better than heavily processed. Who knew?
The abstract says "In 1926, Barend Jansen and Willem Donath isolated and crystallized a substance that cured polyneuritis in pigeons."
Try to find a paper that supports this...must be hidden in a vault somewhere. Man, all I want to see is the method of discovery. I don't need another animal/diet study (effect proving a cause). At least they admit in the paragraph that they were originally hypothetical entities that nobody had ever seen. Sounds VERY FAMILIAR.
Excellent, Pete. Yes, it is analogous to the fraud of virology, a lot of fancy and misleading obfuscations but no concrete proof or evidence. However, at this point I'm 100% certain that virology is fraudulent and there is no such thing as a virus, I'm not as certain concerning vitamins though I am leaning toward that conclusion.
Heretic, per your recommendation, I went and checked out Mitchell's PURE SYNERGY site. They have quite a bit of product. I think I counted over 40 different pill and powder bottles depending on what the customer is looking for. It does all sound very nice and the 'gentle' processing is appealing as well. If I were still a supplement taker, I would probably try some of these things out.
One thing I am noting is this quote under testing for purity section...
"We don't just assume that our meticulous sourcing protocols result in high-quality ingredients – we prove it with internal or third-party testing.
"We test for things we don't want in our ingredients, like heavy metals, microbes, pesticides, solvent residues, and gluten. And we also test for what we do want, like vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, and potency levels."
It is my understanding that so-called vitamins have never been truly isolated and characterized. They are a human invention. A "vitamin" was only ever a newly created end product after a gauntlet of chemical adulteration of the original materials... which would lead me to ask Pure Synergy, what 'test' is finding the alleged vitamins? Is it validated? I am curious enough that I might ask them what microbes they are testing for and why/how?
I also have to wonder what effect pulverizing and dehydrating a real food into powder form (even without chemicals) has on it. Maybe nothing. But unless I was going on a long journey, I'd probably just get it and eat it fresh/whole. Maybe we just need to teach people how to find the local farmers markets (meet and speak with them), and spend a little money on gas instead of hundreds of dollars on pills n' powders... that is, if they haven't sorted out how to grow it themselves.
It does trouble me that in order to sell these end products, you have to give them various "vitamin" labels (C, B, K2, etc..) and I have not seen evidence that such things 'exist' in the form everyone believes they do.
Perhaps, if I can find the time, I will pose these questions to them myself.
Excellent comment and questions, Pete. It is a new revelation to me that vitamins have never been isolated and characterized. Well known and respected herbalists like the aforementioned Dr. Schultz (and there are many others) insist that their herbal and botanical, organic products are chock full of vitamins, minerals, enzymes, phytonutrients, etc. etc. Concomitantly, viruses have never been proven to exist either and the so-called science of virology is based on fraud. What they say are viruses are really images of dead and dying cells from toxemia. On topic, the atom has never been found or proven to exist. So how has it been "split" in the process of creating atomic and nuclear weapons? According to quantum physicists, everything at that level of being is just wave function. How do you split a wave? These things are definitely worth looking into and researched empirically. I can honestly say that over a broad span of years, many health supplements, the food form organic ones, have helped me tremendously. I note very carefully that a very high number of people who shun such supplements and consume strictly food bought at stores and restaurants, seem to get sick a lot and die relatively young, if not very young.
Heretic, my curiosity got the best of me. I contacted Pure Synergy customer service. and they responded in a very thorough manner. They actually listed every "third party" lab & testing program they use (for bacteria, mold, pesticides, and gluten). I was surprised that they use an Elisa 'antibody' test for the gluten. So I only got what they 'test not for'... I had originally asked to include how they test for "vitamins", which I guess they will call "nutrient content"... and subsequent purity. I followed up asking specifically for that. Cuz god damn, I wanna know.
Personally, I don't really give a damn about bacteria and mold, given what I understand about them. Seems like if you were just growing real food without spraying crap all over it (and converting it into a pill), you could just tell your customers that rather than having to put it through a gauntlet of 7 different corporate/FDA created microbial tests to demonstrate it isn't garbage. But I want to know how they identify the "vitamin C", etc....
@dpl and I paid to get some supplements tested just to learn the process. He wrote a great post on it. Through testing I discovered a major flaw: they do not test for non disclosed ingredients. The test is for levels of elements, such as uramium, which was present and undeclared on the label, but not what I was seeking. This Is the Gold Standard. This means these labs are not testing for any byproducts or other foreign materials. To get foreign material lab results a second test is required, which nobody uses.
Combine this with the information you gathered and we have quite a debacle here regarding what exactly is in the bottle of 100% unregulated "heath".
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/themes/the-nobel-prize-and-the-discovery-of-vitamins/
Heretic, I skimmed through the Nobel Prize article. In the past I have tried to locate the original vitamin isolation papers that should be around where all these knighted scientists allegedly discovered Vitamins A-Z... they make claims of isolation... which we have all since discovered can be changed to meet the definitions required by scientific 'authority' (see "virus isolation"). I can't find them. They should be everywhere for such a proud day in science. The article mentions "obtained pure crystals from the fractional extraction of rice polishings" (which apparently lead to prizes for discovering B). But try to find the scientific paper showing how they got these crystals. Maybe Agent can dig it up...I run into dead ends.
You put Christiaan Eijkman (the Nobel prize winner for discovery of B) and Thiamine into PubMed and all you get is an abstract from a 2012 nutritional journal that says he compared chicken health from 2 different diets of polished (heavily milled and processed) rice vs. natural brown rice. Rocket surgery...LOL... whole foods are better than heavily processed. Who knew?
The abstract says "In 1926, Barend Jansen and Willem Donath isolated and crystallized a substance that cured polyneuritis in pigeons."
Try to find a paper that supports this...must be hidden in a vault somewhere. Man, all I want to see is the method of discovery. I don't need another animal/diet study (effect proving a cause). At least they admit in the paragraph that they were originally hypothetical entities that nobody had ever seen. Sounds VERY FAMILIAR.
Excellent, Pete. Yes, it is analogous to the fraud of virology, a lot of fancy and misleading obfuscations but no concrete proof or evidence. However, at this point I'm 100% certain that virology is fraudulent and there is no such thing as a virus, I'm not as certain concerning vitamins though I am leaning toward that conclusion.
Excellent, Pete. If you follow up and press them on how they test for vitamins, please let us know the results.
They got back to me within 24 hours on the initial request. Nothing yet on the vitamin test. I have to wonder...
If you are so inclined, Pete, give them a little more time then contact them again with a follow-up request and see what happens.