Im and orthodox jew i work for the OU, and I agree to this 100% , and theres so much corruption. In orthodox Judaism youll find it in many places , I'm a orthodox jew different then the rest , im that lone soldier that looks to find the true beauty in the original authentic Judaism, find out more on my channel called knowledgeyoudeserve on YouTube , its not popular at all, very small following, but the truth isn't for everyone
Agent provides a balanced presentation, while many sites talk about "the Jews" indiscriminately (for Gemma O'Doherty at https://gemmaodoherty.substack.com/, everything bad comes from "the Jews"). Of course, there is no such things as "the Jews," but the gullible and impressionable "alt" reader can easily assign the imaginary group as "the" public enemy, which amounts to programming the audience into believing their fallacy after making a choice in a shell game:
Agent, also points out the rarely-mentioned fact that the taxpayer is paying for the extra tax imposed on the consumer (who also pays for the costs added to the price of the merchandise), the policing, the courts, and the incarcerations. Is that what you have signed up for, when you voted?
Not really. I remember when Coors Beer sought OU certification some decades ago. This was a big joke to Jews because standard beer, without unusual flavors or ingredients, in particular was never considered to require any sort of supervision to be consumed by kosher-observant Jews.
First, because of this, Coors probably didn't pay much money for the certification, even if money changed hands.
Second, Coors did this because the kosher certification added value to them. They believed it would boost sales, and probably did. Because the gentile kosher consumers would prefer it over the "non-kosher" beers.
You people, Agent included, should lighten up a bit. There is a bit of a racket going on, but it's solely about the money and nothing more nefarious.
I did say the "kosher" gambit has been a business tactic to get rid of the competition. In addition, to me, it looks like Agent is also partly suggesting that average people trust "kosher," because they think it's for Jews, who mean well for themselves. At the same time, it's for the average consumer, who doesn't know what the symbols mean.
Where did I say something more nefarious? Still, we have no way to know where all the Rabbi and cert costs go. Whatever the Coors story is, fact is Kosher cert requires royalty payments and Rabbi costs. Price to consumer goes up, sales tax depending on locale goes up.
Strange how so much of that particular belief system focuses on the concepts of purity and contamination.
Weird. Isn't that what we were told the OTHER guy cared about most?
Ah well, I'm sure that it totally doesn't have any latent or downstream psychological effects on adherents' interactions with non-adherents. Couldn't possibly result in a malignant collective narcissism based in "bloodlines" or anything. Truly absurd to think one's core beliefs about non-adherents would ever affect how they run their politics.
Thinking out loud bc I value the Agent's/Medicine Girl audience:
The US still honors, at least at times, certain protections for freedom of religion (think vax in some states.)
My modest proposal is to add just one more denomination to the roughly 800 Christian denominations. Working name could be "Based Christianity." Tenets would include
1. No hierarchy or paid clergy allowed.
2. Avoidance of foods with ingredients you can't pronounce or identify easily by your own senses.
3. Avoidance of doctors or teachers who don't acknowledge the existence of God (and therefore, that they ain't Him).
4. Absolute right to refuse all medical treatments.
5. Avoidance of institutions of usury, and a mission to work toward the goal of abolition of usury.
6. Members are free to also remain part of whatever org they want (RC, orthodox etc) but be ready to debate and defend without butthurt.
If in the future a bunch wants to to do a schism and become explicitly voluntaryist, I could see that heppening.
I find this so interesting as states are putting in laws to ban Sharia Law yet did not put into place laws for Kosher laws. People rant about the Islam takeover but have not ranted about the Judaism takeover or the false Noahide Laws the other Judaism takeover. Mind-blowing to say the least. Americans need to wake up and start fighting these unconstitutional laws.
Everything is false about Christianity and crucifixionism trinitarianism is not monotheistic nor is it abrahamic why are there 60,000 flavors of jezeusian delusional mythology including talking in tongues and handling the snake and the endless Vatican variations including the Jesuits and Opus dei who seek to overthrow the United States and install a dystopian Christendom
Noahide is a way to get in touch with the one true God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob without the falsity of the intermediary of JC, some say the reason it's called the crucifixion is if it was real it would be called the crucifact others say that the first sign of a failed Messiah is proclaiming a so-called second coming to distract from the zero Messianic accomplishments of the so-called first coming.
Remarkable that unitarians can still call themselves Christians despite the clash in theology but they do know that there is only one true God and that he would not break his covenant with his chosen people nor would he send his son to be sacrificed with the expectation that the followers of the false religion would blame the chosen few that he loves and cherishes to be persecuted and blamed for the crucifixion imposed upon Jesus for being a Zionist by the imperialistic Roman occupiers who renamed the Jewish homeland the name that the phony phallustinians go by now
Two Jews came into my liquor store and asked if I had wine that was kosher for Passover. I showed them the Mogen David. One of them held up a bottle and pointed to the kosher emblem on the label and said it was merely regular kosher, not labeled kosher for Passover. I asked what the difference was and he said none, probably. Then why do it? Because we're Jews, he said. We all laughed. Then they bought something else with no kosher label at all.
I Find this interesting; The prohibition against consuming insects visible to the naked eye. This is mentioned five times in the Torah. Considering that the World Economic Forum (WEF), Klaus Schwab and the rest of the clowns that belong to the WEF Peter Thiel, Sam Altman, Larry Fink (Black Rock), Larry Ellison are all Jewish and pushing to feed insects to the Goy either directly or as a food additive! Also interesting how they are all cozy with Trump!! Is anyone fitting the pieces of the puzzle together yet? Things that make you go Hmmm!!
Currently the FDA allows rodent hairs feces and insect parts in food throughout America. There's a normative equation in kosher that if 1/60th of the ingredient load is non kosher then the food is non kosher.
I recall but having verified that the vitamin d in milk that is infused comes from pigskin.
Just catching up on my readings now that I have time. The letter k used to face the other way and comes from kaph meaning palm of the hand and is a symbol of submission. The letter u is also used on labels and looks like the modern symbol for kaph if you kick it over. It seems this is code to tell us we are submitting to the palm of the (upper) hand.
Unfortunately this author is pumping out more and more nonsense just to gain views. The main point this article is trying to claim, that kosher food is a racket, is proved completely illogical by the authors own sources. Take the line "This law made it illegal for any food producer to use the word kosher if it’s not kosher". Now how is that a racket? Its just enforcing a law against misleading advertising. Thats the "racket"????. Im sorry, this article is pure sensationalism and deliberately misleading. I miss the real research and logic that this author used to display.
You are obviously not a rabbi; there is not a single thing in the above article that can proove any sort of wrongdoing on the part of kosher certifiers. So if you think what hes saying is correct, you clearly have no logical capabilities. Literally the title of this guys series is "The Kosher Mafia", so by claiming to be a rabbi working in kosher certification, are you admitting online that you are a member of organized crime?
God bless you brother, this is a problem in anything corporate not just Jewish
I disagree with the Jews that make a religion into a business and this author can make episodes on this as long as he makes more episodes on every other certification that's not Jewish and have lots of corruption as well because for my research anything corporate turns bad even Jewish corporations
Yes thats valid that there is a problem with corporations interests being anti-consumer often. But as you said, that needs to be a criticsim of all corporate business, not only kosher certifiers
Consider that the extra Rabbi costs could go to an org the Rabbi is seconded from and/or pays dues to. Also Kosher certification costs: a food company typically has to pay for kosher certification aka royalty fees, and the cost can vary based on the complexity of the product and the specific requirements of the certification agency. Many agencies offer flat fee pricing that is not linked to product sales volume, making it manageable for companies. ok.orgsealk.org
There may be other $ routes to this I dont have time to sus out.
You are just babbling nonsense. When a company chooses to hire kosher certification, its just like any other certification, like organic, vegan, halal etc. Its the company's own choice to hire the certifier, they arent forced to, and the above article has provided no proof to the accusation that its a "racket", which implies giving no choice. The type of pricing the certification agency gives is also totally irrelevant, because the food company that hires them chooses to agree to that pricing when the sign the contract. Also, you clearly show your ignorance, since there exist multiple separate kosher certification agencies as well with different pricing schedules.
No, we dont just "not agree". All intellectual cowards say that when their claims are disproven. I said you have zero evidence that food companies are in any way forced to pay for kosher certification. You failed to provide any. That means your claims are nonsense, and hiding behind "i disagree" instead of admitting you are wrong is cowardly and disingenuous.
And also a mark of an intellectual coward, is to claim you have been "ridiculed", when no personal insults were leveled against you; i said your statements were nonsense and unfounded.
So if nobody is being forced to do anything then how do u disagree with what i said? My first comment said that companies are NOT being forced to hire certification. And then you said you disagree. You are self contradictory
This is a lot of reading, and I will get to it, but let's clear up some things.
There are many more consumers of kosher food than Orthodox Jews. Probably millions of people. Seventh Day Adventists seek out kosher-certified products. So do Muslims. Muslims in particular seek out Jewish areas to live, because of the easy availability of kosher meat. Haha the jokes on us.
In any case, kosher products sell, which is why mega-corps get products certified.
BTW I didn't grow up keeping kosher. I started in 1989, so some of the more recent history is familiar.
A rabbi I spent some time with in that time period spoke his and his parents' generations of traditional devout Jews. There was a general ignorance and simply no common recognition of the need for many products then purchased to have some sort of kosher oversight. Racket or not, Jews needed it.
Also, other non-Jewish consumers, eg vegetarians and vegans, could trust that, unlike the government regulations, if a kosher product says non-dairy, it really is 100% guaranteed free of dairy products (barring the rare fraud).
Sadly, given the money involved, some level of grift is, I suppose, inevitable. Regarding the reporting, just consider that many of these media organs had, at best, a distaste for Orthodox Jews in particular.
Some level of grift! The entire thing is a grift--people--whatever their beliefs--should be funding their own preferences. And the state absolutely should not be involved at all--period!
Im and orthodox jew i work for the OU, and I agree to this 100% , and theres so much corruption. In orthodox Judaism youll find it in many places , I'm a orthodox jew different then the rest , im that lone soldier that looks to find the true beauty in the original authentic Judaism, find out more on my channel called knowledgeyoudeserve on YouTube , its not popular at all, very small following, but the truth isn't for everyone
There are two channels, which is yours?
The one with like 200 videos the tag is knowledgeyoudeserve16
Okay, thanks I found you and subscribed.
I made it 72 subscribers
Agent provides a balanced presentation, while many sites talk about "the Jews" indiscriminately (for Gemma O'Doherty at https://gemmaodoherty.substack.com/, everything bad comes from "the Jews"). Of course, there is no such things as "the Jews," but the gullible and impressionable "alt" reader can easily assign the imaginary group as "the" public enemy, which amounts to programming the audience into believing their fallacy after making a choice in a shell game:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-boogeyman-trap-combining-bait
The "Kosher symbols" on food have been around for quite some time, and they obviously mark
1. a strategy to force out competitors in food production and retail (hence the "mafia");
2. the constant effort to maintain the consciousness of "Jewish" for the general public (Jews not being "Jewish" and non-Jews pretending to be Jewish create a feasible flock of "collateral losses" out of Jews, too: https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/what-can-explain-the-jewish-fatigue).
Agent, also points out the rarely-mentioned fact that the taxpayer is paying for the extra tax imposed on the consumer (who also pays for the costs added to the price of the merchandise), the policing, the courts, and the incarcerations. Is that what you have signed up for, when you voted?
Are Muslims and Seventh Day Adventists pretending to be Jews? They also seek out kosher-certified food.
Muslims practice circumcision! Are they crypto Jews? :)
And thus extra consumption tax!
Not really. I remember when Coors Beer sought OU certification some decades ago. This was a big joke to Jews because standard beer, without unusual flavors or ingredients, in particular was never considered to require any sort of supervision to be consumed by kosher-observant Jews.
First, because of this, Coors probably didn't pay much money for the certification, even if money changed hands.
Second, Coors did this because the kosher certification added value to them. They believed it would boost sales, and probably did. Because the gentile kosher consumers would prefer it over the "non-kosher" beers.
You people, Agent included, should lighten up a bit. There is a bit of a racket going on, but it's solely about the money and nothing more nefarious.
I did say the "kosher" gambit has been a business tactic to get rid of the competition. In addition, to me, it looks like Agent is also partly suggesting that average people trust "kosher," because they think it's for Jews, who mean well for themselves. At the same time, it's for the average consumer, who doesn't know what the symbols mean.
Where did I say something more nefarious? Still, we have no way to know where all the Rabbi and cert costs go. Whatever the Coors story is, fact is Kosher cert requires royalty payments and Rabbi costs. Price to consumer goes up, sales tax depending on locale goes up.
Strange how so much of that particular belief system focuses on the concepts of purity and contamination.
Weird. Isn't that what we were told the OTHER guy cared about most?
Ah well, I'm sure that it totally doesn't have any latent or downstream psychological effects on adherents' interactions with non-adherents. Couldn't possibly result in a malignant collective narcissism based in "bloodlines" or anything. Truly absurd to think one's core beliefs about non-adherents would ever affect how they run their politics.
Excellent work, Agent. ❤️🔥🙏
This "kosher" racket shakedown is just one piece of the pie.
Lighten up, Francis.
Thinking out loud bc I value the Agent's/Medicine Girl audience:
The US still honors, at least at times, certain protections for freedom of religion (think vax in some states.)
My modest proposal is to add just one more denomination to the roughly 800 Christian denominations. Working name could be "Based Christianity." Tenets would include
1. No hierarchy or paid clergy allowed.
2. Avoidance of foods with ingredients you can't pronounce or identify easily by your own senses.
3. Avoidance of doctors or teachers who don't acknowledge the existence of God (and therefore, that they ain't Him).
4. Absolute right to refuse all medical treatments.
5. Avoidance of institutions of usury, and a mission to work toward the goal of abolition of usury.
6. Members are free to also remain part of whatever org they want (RC, orthodox etc) but be ready to debate and defend without butthurt.
If in the future a bunch wants to to do a schism and become explicitly voluntaryist, I could see that heppening.
How did you come up with only 800?
I'd been quoting 31,000 flavors until earlier this year when I looked it up and there's over 60,000
I find this so interesting as states are putting in laws to ban Sharia Law yet did not put into place laws for Kosher laws. People rant about the Islam takeover but have not ranted about the Judaism takeover or the false Noahide Laws the other Judaism takeover. Mind-blowing to say the least. Americans need to wake up and start fighting these unconstitutional laws.
Nothing false about the noahide laws
Everything is false about Christianity and crucifixionism trinitarianism is not monotheistic nor is it abrahamic why are there 60,000 flavors of jezeusian delusional mythology including talking in tongues and handling the snake and the endless Vatican variations including the Jesuits and Opus dei who seek to overthrow the United States and install a dystopian Christendom
Noahide is a way to get in touch with the one true God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob without the falsity of the intermediary of JC, some say the reason it's called the crucifixion is if it was real it would be called the crucifact others say that the first sign of a failed Messiah is proclaiming a so-called second coming to distract from the zero Messianic accomplishments of the so-called first coming.
Remarkable that unitarians can still call themselves Christians despite the clash in theology but they do know that there is only one true God and that he would not break his covenant with his chosen people nor would he send his son to be sacrificed with the expectation that the followers of the false religion would blame the chosen few that he loves and cherishes to be persecuted and blamed for the crucifixion imposed upon Jesus for being a Zionist by the imperialistic Roman occupiers who renamed the Jewish homeland the name that the phony phallustinians go by now
Please, there is nothing true about the Noahide laws. Just made up by Rabbis and for control of the world. FAKE FAKE FAKE
Two Jews came into my liquor store and asked if I had wine that was kosher for Passover. I showed them the Mogen David. One of them held up a bottle and pointed to the kosher emblem on the label and said it was merely regular kosher, not labeled kosher for Passover. I asked what the difference was and he said none, probably. Then why do it? Because we're Jews, he said. We all laughed. Then they bought something else with no kosher label at all.
There is a difference. And personally, I've never heard of wine that was kosher but not suitable for Passover use. There's no reason to not do it.
Exactly many jews no the certification scam and mafia just no on feels powerful enough to destroy it so we just let it be and dont subscribe to it
I Find this interesting; The prohibition against consuming insects visible to the naked eye. This is mentioned five times in the Torah. Considering that the World Economic Forum (WEF), Klaus Schwab and the rest of the clowns that belong to the WEF Peter Thiel, Sam Altman, Larry Fink (Black Rock), Larry Ellison are all Jewish and pushing to feed insects to the Goy either directly or as a food additive! Also interesting how they are all cozy with Trump!! Is anyone fitting the pieces of the puzzle together yet? Things that make you go Hmmm!!
Hmmm!!
I thought the same, but maybe the insects being ground into flour and added to our "food" is kosher.
Currently the FDA allows rodent hairs feces and insect parts in food throughout America. There's a normative equation in kosher that if 1/60th of the ingredient load is non kosher then the food is non kosher.
I recall but having verified that the vitamin d in milk that is infused comes from pigskin.
Thiel is not Jewish.
The rest are hardly exemplary Jews. Sam Altman allegedly raped his sister. Spare me the outrage.
Humans eat insects incessantly they don't need the world economic forum to tell them to
Who was Klaus Schwab's father? Francisco Gil white appears more and more correct everyday
Just catching up on my readings now that I have time. The letter k used to face the other way and comes from kaph meaning palm of the hand and is a symbol of submission. The letter u is also used on labels and looks like the modern symbol for kaph if you kick it over. It seems this is code to tell us we are submitting to the palm of the (upper) hand.
A great kosher post@
Kosher steel - so col!
"Of the 6 million Jews in the United States," - sounds like a very kosher number...
ARE BIOENGINEERED INGREDIENTS AND PESTICIDES KOSHER?
As a rabbi According to Jewish law?, simply no
Pesticides aren't intended for consumption so why would a kosher certification be relevant?
How many variations on food are bioengineered these days, most?
Unfortunately this author is pumping out more and more nonsense just to gain views. The main point this article is trying to claim, that kosher food is a racket, is proved completely illogical by the authors own sources. Take the line "This law made it illegal for any food producer to use the word kosher if it’s not kosher". Now how is that a racket? Its just enforcing a law against misleading advertising. Thats the "racket"????. Im sorry, this article is pure sensationalism and deliberately misleading. I miss the real research and logic that this author used to display.
It's not total nonsense, im an orthodox rabbi, most of what he is saying is correct here
You are obviously not a rabbi; there is not a single thing in the above article that can proove any sort of wrongdoing on the part of kosher certifiers. So if you think what hes saying is correct, you clearly have no logical capabilities. Literally the title of this guys series is "The Kosher Mafia", so by claiming to be a rabbi working in kosher certification, are you admitting online that you are a member of organized crime?
God bless you brother, this is a problem in anything corporate not just Jewish
I disagree with the Jews that make a religion into a business and this author can make episodes on this as long as he makes more episodes on every other certification that's not Jewish and have lots of corruption as well because for my research anything corporate turns bad even Jewish corporations
Yes thats valid that there is a problem with corporations interests being anti-consumer often. But as you said, that needs to be a criticsim of all corporate business, not only kosher certifiers
Consider that the extra Rabbi costs could go to an org the Rabbi is seconded from and/or pays dues to. Also Kosher certification costs: a food company typically has to pay for kosher certification aka royalty fees, and the cost can vary based on the complexity of the product and the specific requirements of the certification agency. Many agencies offer flat fee pricing that is not linked to product sales volume, making it manageable for companies. ok.org sealk.org
There may be other $ routes to this I dont have time to sus out.
You are just babbling nonsense. When a company chooses to hire kosher certification, its just like any other certification, like organic, vegan, halal etc. Its the company's own choice to hire the certifier, they arent forced to, and the above article has provided no proof to the accusation that its a "racket", which implies giving no choice. The type of pricing the certification agency gives is also totally irrelevant, because the food company that hires them chooses to agree to that pricing when the sign the contract. Also, you clearly show your ignorance, since there exist multiple separate kosher certification agencies as well with different pricing schedules.
Well we just don’t agree. One thing is very clear, is that I don’t ridicule people on line like you do because I know that doesn’t help anything.
No, we dont just "not agree". All intellectual cowards say that when their claims are disproven. I said you have zero evidence that food companies are in any way forced to pay for kosher certification. You failed to provide any. That means your claims are nonsense, and hiding behind "i disagree" instead of admitting you are wrong is cowardly and disingenuous.
And also a mark of an intellectual coward, is to claim you have been "ridiculed", when no personal insults were leveled against you; i said your statements were nonsense and unfounded.
Where did I say “forced”. Please take a cold shower.
So if nobody is being forced to do anything then how do u disagree with what i said? My first comment said that companies are NOT being forced to hire certification. And then you said you disagree. You are self contradictory
Babbling nonsense is worthy of ridicule
This is a lot of reading, and I will get to it, but let's clear up some things.
There are many more consumers of kosher food than Orthodox Jews. Probably millions of people. Seventh Day Adventists seek out kosher-certified products. So do Muslims. Muslims in particular seek out Jewish areas to live, because of the easy availability of kosher meat. Haha the jokes on us.
In any case, kosher products sell, which is why mega-corps get products certified.
BTW I didn't grow up keeping kosher. I started in 1989, so some of the more recent history is familiar.
A rabbi I spent some time with in that time period spoke his and his parents' generations of traditional devout Jews. There was a general ignorance and simply no common recognition of the need for many products then purchased to have some sort of kosher oversight. Racket or not, Jews needed it.
Also, other non-Jewish consumers, eg vegetarians and vegans, could trust that, unlike the government regulations, if a kosher product says non-dairy, it really is 100% guaranteed free of dairy products (barring the rare fraud).
Sadly, given the money involved, some level of grift is, I suppose, inevitable. Regarding the reporting, just consider that many of these media organs had, at best, a distaste for Orthodox Jews in particular.
Some level of grift! The entire thing is a grift--people--whatever their beliefs--should be funding their own preferences. And the state absolutely should not be involved at all--period!
Correct, companies and consumers should have the right to make or eat what they want.
The state involvement is something else.
Are you proposing to ban companies from obtaining kosher certification? Is that what you mean by "funding their own preferences?"
What's been your experience with the emerging Cholov Israel trends?
Before I married my baal tshuva ex wife through Chabad I had no awareness of it.
[You MUST put truth above religion or beliefs, else you'll wind up with false religion and beliefs. Seeking truth first guides you to true beliefs.]
Thank you!
A cow is a mammal, we are mammals . If we eat a mammal is this not cannibalism. Now that’s Kosher.
Latin name with peculiarly illogical Indian manifestations 🤨🙄🤔🤷🏻♂️