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Medicine Girl's avatar

Mind blown, it’s amazing the more you realize they lie about everything…They truly lie about everything.. I am becoming of the mind that nothing in nature is harmful if used in harmonious ways. As in you wouldn’t go to a bed of arsenic as a wild human and try to ingest it. It’s all of the toxic chemicals in our environment, coupled with the myriad of different ways they trick us into poisoning ourselves that the actual problem.

Brilliant article!

Farmer Pete's avatar

Looks like the most dangerous thing about 'black mold' is that if you're a rat, you might be tortured and mutilated by a "scientist".

Here is another thing the mold alarmists failed to understand. Yes, mold will show up to remediate if the home has some chronically damp conditions. It is however, obviously not the cause of the damp conditions. Often these conditions can lead to rotting materials. Modern housing materials are often very toxic (treated wood, drywall/sheetrock, insulation (all many many chemicals))....so this shit will off gas when it is decomposing. So fix the leak in your roof. If you see mold you likely have a moisture issue.

When ever you see a villain becoming popular... virus, bacteria, fungus...it's usually a cover story for more poisoning.

DrFrankDDS's avatar

Germ theory is garbage anyway. Latin word Virus when translated properly is poison. We live in a chemical disaster world from for profit chemical companies that mostly never tested individual and combined chemicals on humans. We are the test. Germs move in to clean up our poor life choices by getting rid of biological rot we created in our bodies and allopathic medicine is a primary culprit with all their injectable and other poisons and dietary propaganda. EMF poisoning is another. Read “Invisible Rainbow“ and study Martin Pall, eg. https://radiationresearch.org/dr-martin-palls-latest-compilation-of-emf-medical-research-literature/. The Amish tend to know better….

GundelP's avatar

Thank you, I've just written a comment before reading yours, EMF poisoning is probably the biggest culprit. I stopped to "cough out my lung" when travelling with plane with the help of an ionizer hanging in my neck. I also experienced at the beginning of the hoax C pandemic that a mobile caused "asthma attacks" to me just after chatting 2-3 minutes (both times) and it was not even close to my head but on speaker half a meter away or so. It took plenty of water and half a day to be ok again, till then I felt a wide belt around my chest.

A bit later, same mobile caused a bunch of kittens to almost die in a weird illness - which according to the vet - non existent / not known. They all ended up with a weird pneumonia, all and in the same time. They slept under a table, the mobile was on the table.

Nothing was wrong with that mobile for a year before this evens, nothing.

They are grilling us with the help of our smart stuff.

Roland Wehr's avatar

Kind of like the way our body works and they try to kill the effect instead of removing the cause.

DrFrankDDS's avatar

And the toxic mold is part of the rot organisms

Epistemology of Natural Order's avatar

Mold not bad itself but aerosolizes the toxins in our buildings, so it can still be very helpful to have it removed.

vejjiejamie's avatar

i dont know how everyone is not going as ape shit ragey crazy as me over this CHOKE YOU OUT INTENSE ARTIFICIAL FRAGRANCE OF LAUNDRY DETERGENT/DRYER SHEETS/FABRIC SOFTENER/CLEANERS/AIR "FRESHENERS" THAT IS LITERALLY ALL I SMELL EVERYWHERE I GO 🤬🤬🤬 it is soooooooooooooo toxic, everything i order online WREAKS of it, i have to ozonate any new clothes like 3 times, i have to ozonate ALL OF MY EXPENSIVE ASS ORGANIC PRODUCE BECAUSE IT WREAKS LIKE THIS SHIT, my husband gets back from the grocery store and i smell it all over his face, especially around his mouth like its just drawn to his breath - INTENTIONALLY!!!!!! this shit is EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!! i cant even walk outside in my neighborhood anymore because if someone is doing laundry, I CANT BREATHE 😵😵😵😵 i 100% blame your sis in laws NASTY CHOICE OF LAUNDRY POISON on all of her probelms!!!!!! this is an INTENTIONAL EPIDEMIC, TURN UP THE POISON, TURN UP THE TOXICITY LEVEL OF THE ARTIFICIAL FRAGRANCES IN EVERY CLEANING PRODUCT IN AMERICA, THIS WILL SURELY DO THE TRICK 👹👹👹 i cant even stand and have a conversation with people anymore because they WREAK of it or hug someone because then its ALL OVER ME AND NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! am i the ONLY ONE who notices this UPTICK IN CONCENTRATION?!?! i swear the corporations were told by the owners of the corps - you know who that is - to TURN UP THE TOXICITY!!!!!!! who knew the future would FUCKING STINK THIS BAD 🤬🤬🤬😤😤😤 tell her to switch to UNSCENTED EVERRYTHING AND USE WHITE VINEGAR FOR FABRIC SOFTENER IT WORKS JUST AS WELL AND MAKES MY TOWELS SOFT AND FLUFFY WITHOUT THE SIDE OF CANCER!!!!!!!!!!

summer's avatar

Wow Jamie, i truly had tears in my eyes reading your comment, becos i too seem to be the only one who notices THE STENCH, that horrible artificial smell of Tide and Bounce which now permeates EVERYTHING. For many years these chemical "fragrances" have given me migraines, but they really began ramping them up on the stench the last five or six years. Nowadays EVERYTHING reeks including books (new and used) that i buy online, and everything for sale in stores, including clothes and food. When you mention it to an employee, they have no idea what you're talking about. Back when the cooties were supposed to be able to jump 6 feet, i could smell the highly dangerous laundry stench on people from 20 feet away. Due to this, i don't do the shopping anymore, but like you i can smell it on my husband's clothes and hair as soon as he comes home. It is now on most of the fruit and veg, and the bags and plastic wrappers on food (including expensive organic stuff). It is even on cash from the bank. I live rurally, but have to go inside when the dryer vents from one of two nearby houses are outgassing the stench cos it travels on the breeze. And it's not just on soft absorbable items like fabrics. A couple of years ago i bought several vintage glass and metal osteriser blenders from different vendors on ebay, and all three came fully scented, and it did not disperse despite months (a year in one case) of sitting outside on our verandah. I recently bought a vintage travel iron which arrived with the same stench, which i can't scrub off or get rid of. New clothes, bedding etc. are permeated with the stench, and thrift store clothes have been washed in it too -- i had some thrift store clothes items hanging outdoors for a full year but never were fully free of it. It seems impossible to get rid of it on books with all their pages, even tho we use our vacuum extractor machine on them numerous times. If someone visits, the stench remains in the house and also on a furniture they happen to sit on. And the scent is stuck on my clothes and hair if they hug me. Once i was very high up on a hill with a sprawling plastic suburbia far below, and the stench was even up there, thanks to all the dryer vents.

For several years i constantly questioned why no one else seemed to be able to smell this, including my husband, who has now been trained to be able to smell it but can't always detect it. I gradually came to the realisation that most people really CAN'T smell it, and it is only becos i have a much more acute sense of smell that i can. I call this my inbuilt poison alert system, becos it instantly gives me a migraine, as do other toxic things like alcohol. These so-called "fragrances" (anything listed as fragrance is an artificial chemical btw) are hormone disregulators, eg. they mess up the hormonal system that runs and regulates all systems in our bodies, including WEIGHT and REPRODUCTION. When we breathe them in, they stick like glue to our nasal passages, bronchial tubes and lungs. I believe they were slowly introduced over the last decades as laundry products, becos people would become "immune" to them after a while, smothered as they are in clothes, pyjamas, sheets etc. 24/7, and in the case of children, ever since they were born (and add the toxic disposable diapers to the poisoning regime). Furthermore, decades of advertising propaganda has indoctrinated everyone to think that this is the smell of "clean clothes", which it is NOT! Becos synthetic fabrics collect and build up static electricity that in itself is very harmful to the body, they could then invent "dryer sheets" in order to toxify everything in the dryer (whatever happened to drying clothes outside???? Not possible in apts., and now forbidden by most strata housing rules). The dryer sheets then saturate the static artificial clothes and bedding in The Stench. And of course "air fresheners" for cars and homes, and yes even "scented" candles. And how about scented toilet paper and tissues? After years of preparation so that most people would no longer detect them, they have now moved into blatantly poisoning everything with this same toxic smell, and hardly anyone notices. And i'll just mention that one of the "symptoms" of covid/radiation poisoning is the loss of smell and taste, sometimes permanently -- do you think this is an accident? So that's my theory about the Stench, formed from my own experience.

I am not sure how this toxin is added to things like books (even used books) and cash and packaging etc. but i suspect it is sprayed in warehouses under the guise of "hand sanitizers" or "germ/virus killers". My husband reports that where the big overhead vents are in the big box stores, the items below are the stinkiest, so maybe some kind of "sanitizer" is put into the air filtration systems. For those of us with the acute sense of smell, there is nowhere to escape to these days. And for those without an acute sense of smell, you have no idea what you are breathing in and even ingesting in this regard. Many thanks to you Jamie for bringing up this enormously important issue, and i can't tell you how happy i am to hear that i am not some weirdo for having the acute and protective sense of smell that all of us come equipped with.

And btw, if you're wondering how people washed their clothes before the advent of Tide, Bounce and co., they used washing soda and/or another salt called borax, the latter being a whole other rabbit hole to get into (it actually cures arthritis, so of course has been vilified as poison). And as pointed out, vinegar makes an excellent rinse. The same for hair -- baking soda for washing, apple cider vinegar for rinsing. Cleaning products, ditto -- if washing soda won't get something clean, vinegar will -- eg. nature provides us with both ends of the alkaline/acid scale.

This is a very revealing, poignant and well done documentary made in 2012 by a man whose young wife died of cancer. When she became sick he started researching a number of product ingredients including "fragrance" and stumbled into a terrifying completely unregulated world that also includes "fire retardants", body products and cleaning products. If you are concerned about the many ways we are being poisoned, i highly recommend this film:

https://is.gd/STINK

Nina's avatar

I have the same issue, including the husband who comes back from town smelling weird and artificial after shopping. I can't use most bedsheets and towels in Airbnbs and I've returned books that smell perfumey. I hug some people and their horrible toxic scents stick to my body and clothes and I smell them on me all day. I can't stand to be in taxis with 'air fresheners' and I travel with my own dish soap, soap, sheets etc... The worst thing is, other people totally don't get it!

summer's avatar

We seem to be a small breed of human who actually have our sense of smell intact. I'm with you about travelling, can't stay in a room with the stench, let alone use towels or sleep on bedding with it. Yet many people expect that smell as meaning that everything is "fresh and clean"!!!!! Or else are so immune to the smell that they don't notice at all. At least it is comforting to know that i'm not alone in this anomaly.

Roland Wehr's avatar

These toxic stenches are so common. Have you ever heard a new car owner say how much they LOVE their new car smell.

summer's avatar

Yeh, you can even buy "air fresheners" with "new car scent" -- YUCK YUCK YUCK!!! And don't get me started on what they treat new carpets with.........

Crixcyon's avatar

Walking down the isle at Walmart where all the detergents are is rather toxic. The smells are deathly strong.

vejjiejamie's avatar

i can't do it, i can't even go NEAR that aisle!!!! and the produce all WREAKS of it, the toilet paper, the paper towels...

vejjiejamie's avatar

summer, what a BEAUTIFUL name and i cried when i read your reply too, we should be friends in real life, i sooooooo feel your pain, its getting so out of control, i dont know what i am going to do about it, i'm afraid there is nothing, i'm afraid there is no escape. i regretfully live in a suburban neighborhood where the houses are packed right on top of each other in flouriduh and we cant make a move but honestly based on what i'm observing and what you shared, i don't think there's anywhere i could go 💔 i was at this outdoor event in st. pete, it shouldve been healing and peaceful but it wasnt, the condos across the street from this beautiful outdoor space RUINED my time in nature WITH THE STENCH and so did the phony bologny people at the event and i was the ONLY one who was commenting anout the STENCH!!!! i planned to stay the night with one of my old best girlfriends, well i took the couch and she brought me down some sheets, pillow, and a blanket, i didnt want to taint my own stuff so i didnt bring anything i cared about, well i didnt sleep ONE WINK, the toxicity was OVERWHELMING, i felt out of my mind, it was BIZARRE, i had to throw my clothes away when i returned home, she has two YOUNG children, i dont know how anyone will be fertile in the future. i was a hairdresser/makeup artist for like 16-17 years, the toxins i breathed in and absorbed through my skin

😵MG, i remember working with product lines that were discontinued because they were KNOWN to cause brain cancer, do you know the shit i've put in my poor head?!?!?! i fasted for 21 days, water fasted, no food, back in 2018 and duuuuuude the rash that appeared on my head was the itchiest, gnarliest, red, fire, I MEAN ITCH!!!!! i've ever experienced, it took about a week to clear up, i was also doing enemas every other day, i havent touched those products since, well havent directly put them in or on my body, but now i dont have a choice, ITS EVERYWHERE I GOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

summer's avatar

I'm with you, it often feels like i'm in prison due to the stench. Every public space is contaminated with it. My husband and i are planning to move to Mexico soon, and i sure hope i can escape it there, altho American products are commonly promoted and sold there. At least there are outdoor veggie markets everywhere. We are taking our own scent-free ten foot camping trailer with us to live in, it's 40 years old and has nothing in it to gas off. We even got pure latex rubber instead of foam for the cushions and mattress.

Wow that sounds like some detox! All cosmetic and skin care and hair care products are contaminated with toxic substances, and our skin is our largest organ. This poisoning campaign has been going on for decades. In my comment i wrote about natural hair and cleaning products.

I too feel SO sorry for babies and children, who are steeped in this stench 24/7, from the moment they are born. And that's after being exposed to cell phone and wifi radiation in utero. Will any of them be able to reproduce? It's all part of the grand genocide plan.........

vejjiejamie's avatar

i am WELL AWARE OF THE PLAN and becoming more and more aware as the days go on, ready player1 anyone??? i hope you're move to mexico is positive and a much cleaner experience than you have had in the united states of TRASH. i envy you, i just want nature and animals and fruit. TAKE ME AWAY 😭😭😭😭😭 AND THE POOR POOR BABIES 💔💔💔💔💔

denise ward's avatar

So many women use toxic fragrances and it is asphyxiating. I tell them, politely, but they get all bent out of shape and stop talking to me. They are poisoning their families. Using essential oils are not harmful, why not use non-harmful scents. It is rather selfish though when you are foisting them on others. Laundry detergents stink all around the block when someone does their laundry and that smell of "Fabuloso" I could gag as I can smell it from afar, it's so potent and stinky.

Palamambron's avatar

What about makeup? I see small children being taught to use makeup with no thought to the toxicity of it. (Literally every commercial on TV is selling poison)

vejjiejamie's avatar

yesssssssss this VERY STRANGE AGENDA being pushed onto these little tween girls, i think its a way of sexualizing them, i mean why the f do they need to be cognicent/aware of their looks to this degree at this age?!?! its fucking lunacy and ridiculous and so incredibly UNNECCESSARY, they have THE REST OF THEIR LIVES to worry about the way they look and anti aging, they should still be playing with barbies at this age in my opinion, whos all this make up for anyways, the predators who like to look at them and wak off behind the screens i mean COME ON!!!!!!! 12 year olds with way more rigourous make up and skin care routines than i have at 46?!?! INSANE. yes, it is hormone disruption and to cause insecurity/obsession with looks. ABSURD. i know 10 year olds who could work at sephora because they know every product, what it does, what its for...fuck that, BE A KID!!!!!!! and shame on the instagram obsessed "mothers" allowing this to happen to their precious baby girls, PSYCHOTIC!!!!!!!

vejjiejamie's avatar

yesssssssssssssssss YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS THEY ARE HARMING THEIR FAMILIES!!!!!!!!!! next door neighbor had a baby girl, when i go visit her which ONLY involves standing on their front stoop, i will NOT go inside because when they open the door the smell chokes me out, the baby wreaks of it, their dog wreaks of it, their dog is all over me so i go home and scrub, plus they are dr's so you know what that means they are all you-know-whated 🙄😞💔 that POOR BABY and their POOR DOG!!!!!!! other side next door to me they are the kind of people who like drink fabuloso if you catch my drift???...when they open the back door to dump the mop bucket (and i think they just dump it into the earth 😢 i'm so sorry mother 😢) i have to go inside and even when they get in their car, just openeing the car doors, and yes they have you g children too, i have to go inside it stinks up my whole yard, i am in prison, i COULDNT have a baby 💔 and i have to watxh all these other LUNATICS POISON THEIRS ❌❌❌❌❌

James C Gardner's avatar

Totally.. the chemicals we use are ridiculous.. if we had a clean energetic water supply we wouldn't need 99% of this shit. Interesting fact, the WHO started life as a global water 'treatment and sanitization' body.. all in the name of good health lol.

Andrea's avatar

So evil. The air fresheners release silicone, so they are coating people’s lungs and everything else with silicone. They have also been designed to disable your sense of smell.

The best ozone generators I can recommend are by Forever Ozone, foreverozone.com. They are made in the USA. The website goes into great detail of how inferior others are. We had gotten a whole lot of them to get rid of a mite infestation that we got in our first and LAST ever AirBnB stay that we then transferred to our new piece of property and all the buildings from them being on our bodies. We still got rid of most of our things and it took a long time to eradicate them from our bodies. Some people have lived with them for 30 years and they lose their minds. They are GMO chimeras sprayed from the sky. Much prayer and crying out to Yahuah and learning how to stand on His promises was our only deliverance. HalleluYah! Like the THE SMELL, most people just look at you like you’re crazy when you talk about mites….and the Truth being a person named Yahusha. But that’s why this world is passing away because it has turned away from seeking the Truth.

Yeowoman's avatar

i had not thought of that . Awful. I am certain the black molds are no good for us in any large amount. live with it long enough and you notice... I just clean it off ... but I never thought about the silicon in air purifiers .. that may be harming people too as you say. they stop people coughing but you have to think why and how. Thanks for that.

Anna's avatar

You can add me to this list. The word FRAGRANCE is code for poison on the labels. It's intentional.

About black mold, its a real thing. About 25% of the population carries a gene that doesn't allow for detoxing mold spores, of any kind. The other 75% live with mold and seemingly suffer no consequences.

I don't even know where to begin to dissect this article, but more and more people are suffering, and dying, from toxic mold. And once your toxin bucket reaches overflow, multiple chemical sensitivities kick in and those wonderful scented candles become toxic bombs. I'm a survivor of toxic mold. I don't need rats to verify my experiences or outcomes. I'll be looking forward to reading future articles by Agent on this topic.

peacerebelgirl's avatar

I've had a keen sense of smell since I was young enough to remember. Car rides with my grandparents in their new cars made me ill; I had to lie down and my grandmother would pack me saltines and a thermos of water. When I use to visit my elderly neighbor I would comment that another neighbor must have been there that day; I could smell his cigar odor. No, it was 3 days ago.

That was over 50 years ago, and odors have become much more prevalent, intense and ever-present.

Visiting most people's homes has become increasingly difficult if not impossible. Sometimes the smell may not be strong enough to keep me from visiting, but their home odor comes home with me on my clothing, in my hair.

In extreme situations, I have to wash my clothes several times, soaking them in citrus oils, etc. and then hang them outside for 3 weeks. However, the last time I did this, the metallic smell from being outside was so strong it took another 5-6 soakings and washings to make them wearable. Chemtrails?

The smell of toxic detergents and dryer sheets / fabric softener permeates everything. Everything. Sometimes when I walk past someone outdoors, the smell of dryer sheets is so strong it makes me ill; how are they still standing and walking?!

I feel badly for children and pets who have no choice but to endure these poisons (not to mention the poison they're injected with).

It's hard to escape given how these chemicals and odors are now everywhere. Allegedly, the chemicals people use have been detected in Antartica. They are part of the slow kill depopulation agenda.

GundelP's avatar

Interesting, while I hate new perfumes (bad, irritative chemical scent) and do mine from real stuff like real flower' oil and real animal stuff, I have the exact same symptoms but it is not because of chemicals but because of the vaccinated people and their phones and due to other radiation dense environment like being in shops. When they were freshly vaxxed (booster times) even 1-2 visitor in our rather big living room could make me ill for days.

Anyway, those who suffers try to buy an ionizer for home and a personal one (necklace) for going out. There are types which are for cars while driving, they helped me a lot. Can eliminate the smell, allegedly because these poisons including radiation caused charged particles in the air are all positively charged, the ionizer emits negative charge in this way it is capable to neutralize them. I don't know that how true is the science part, but I know that the effect is helpful.

Andrea's avatar

Yes, I know exactly what you mean. Once we left Pennsylvania and the Northeast, we didn’t notice it anymore. Even grocery store foods taste like it. I remember ordering our wedding cake from a good bakery and it tasted like it from the butter. The only grocery stores in PA I didn’t notice it in are Wegman’s….they must have a superior trucking system. Even their store doesn’t smell too badly in “that aisle.” I’m 2020, it became super extreme with the introduction of those plug-in air fresheners. My husband did construction work for some people and we couldn’t get it out of his clothes. I tried buying special laundry stuff that swore it removed all chemical fragrance…didn’t help. What happened was our washer gasket ended up smelling like it. I left his clothes hanging out on the line for a good month in all kinds of weather and finally the smell was gone and the clothes were badly faded. When people would come over to our house, I would open windows and put blankets on the sofa and immediately remove them as soon as they left.

I had made my own laundry and body products for years. I have a super sensitive sense of smell; we joke in my family that I’m like a bloodhound. Those smells are even more offensive when you’ve removed all of them from your own life. We had a 3-acre property and I’d be out gardening in the middle of it or on an opposite end of it from people walking, and I smelled them. Aside from the endocrine disruptors meant to kill people, I also wondered if it wasn’t a way to track people down.

vejjiejamie's avatar

we bought an ozone machine and we have had luck ozonating clothes and produce and eliminating the smells or at least the INTENSITY of them, it takes like 3 rounds of 30 mins each, especially for the clothes - any fabrics - then launder them. theres no chemicals involved in ozonating, just an extra molecule of oxygen. those plug ins cause seizures in people and animals, VILE EVIL 👹👹👹👹👹

corvus's avatar

Well now, are you not noticing how rain smells?

Roland Wehr's avatar

I've seen rain discolour newly painted surfaces. It's not as clean as it used to be. Better than city water though.

vejjiejamie's avatar

no i'm not, either no smell or O3, what are you noticing???

SomeDude's avatar

nasty VOCs (volatile organic compounds)

though calling the chemical scents "organic" seems a stretch.

in addition to the laundry smells, there's chemical perfumes, and my personal favorite, the degradation compounds in city water from chlorine and chloramine like formaldehyde and other chlorine and ammonia compounds.

Roland Wehr's avatar

Then they use mold as the cover story.

The librarian's avatar

Perhaps a smart electric meter is on the outside of their bedroom? A friend of mine had breathing problems and there were several Smart meters outside his bedroom wall. Right after they were installed without our informed consent.

M W's avatar

Think Wi-Fi can cause problems too.

GundelP's avatar

Even a mobile can. They have access to our mobiles / cell phones, they can cause anything with the help of them, you can never know what is their update content.

"We can cause any illness with pulsated microwaves" Barry Trowel ex-intelligence, UK:

JJ's avatar

If you have never lived in a place where mold was present then you simply don't know. Having had a piece of shit landlord and now I don't and being able to compare my overall lifetime health vs when I was paying a retard to mold poison me and don't have the health issues that I had when living there ( my whole life, the worst it ever was when living in the shitty landlords place) so I can't take this hit piece seriously as in the UK it was called the damp and made people sick there too. Slumlords love hit pieces like yours here and use it for the psyopp. By all means move to an apartment with hidden mold and eat some and tell us how you feel.

Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

same! we hadda millionaire landlord (from Columbia btw) that would not remediate a leak that soaked the drywall--after weeks of beggin' it got ta the point where my older daughter was vomitin' as that wall was in her room... we were all sick as dawgs, painful joints, gut issues, all've us. I had ta pay fer testin' m'self as Mister Cheapskate wanted ta just have the super spray the wall with a little bleach. After the results came in (black mold, the wurst) an' the threat ta call in public health in (this was in NYC btw so some tenant protections eggzisted...), the landlord reneged an' remediated--it took 4 days with dudes in hazmat suits & industrial air cleaners an' FINALLY we could breath again an' my girl stopped retchin'... Entire wall REMOVED. Took nearly a year of detox ta get back ta where were were.... Anybuddy sez Black Mold is bunk duz not know... jus' sayin' (yer results may differ if yer Superman)

Ida's avatar
Aug 16Edited

Maybe it's not the mold itself that's to blame, but the decomposition gases caused by the digestion of the mold? The decomposition gases of moisture, drywall, paint, and other chemicals? By the mold. Molds have been around for millions of years, but the problems have only become more apparent with the advent of new building materials. But there's a lot of money in them, so they're not going to be blamed.

Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

perhaps / dunno--there are airborne spores (not quite gasses) an' they "grow" in a petrie dish--the remediator guy told me that much... either way, human bodies (lungs!) are harmed by breathin' in whatever is produced (spores, gasses too?). The odor is strong... but normally drywall is just gypsum, the paint latex... no lead 'er other chemicals present afaik... all I kin say is black mold is bad nooze an' vinegar 'n bleach ain't enuf ta remediate it... (some folks are far more sensitive to it...that's likely as well)

Ida's avatar

Yes, mold spores are always in the air. The drywall paper is made by adding chemicals. Putty, + paint, or wallpaper - with glue - is applied to it, which, when wetted and + moldy, release various toxic gases into the air. Which then weakens people and causes various diseases. I am not a chemist, and I do not know the exact formulas of all the substances that react with each other in this case, but I think that the essence of the article is that the health hazard of black mold has not been proven. Because the described method of proof cannot prove anything other than that vile people like to torture animals, people, and anything else, which they then want to sell as "science" to those who do not know their methods... Because as Agent wrote, putting mice in a moldy place and seeing if they get sick would have been enough proof that it's harmful or makes you sick... But what they're doing is completely worthless as evidence, but perfectly suitable for offering sacrifices to evil...

Daisy Moses Chief Crackpot's avatar

sure, an' I'm not qvestionin' that. But I will say that non-moldly drywall that just gits wet (been there too) has no such effect. I'm not sayin' any of the testin' that's been shared shows the keerecht mechanism by which "black mold" harms--but ta say it's all a hoax really negates that true experience of many. An' it's not only drywall that causes it. We know folks in a velly old pre-war apartment that had regular plaster (no drywall!)-- an' when an upstairs tub caused their leak that formed black mold that was embedded in the plaster for months--two of the fam and their dog suffered horribly an' the others did not. My friend who suffered now needs an epipen as even after the remediation she didn't heal--her immune system became more sensitized. Like I said, I don't understand the mechanics--nor do I know if there's non-bull-oney studies not shared here. I know medi-sin is much made up... but all I will say is all molds are not the same... our pink mold under the sink? Just gross (an' we remediated it with enzymes!) but the black stuff ain't a joke... just our eggsperience... notta good one!

Ida's avatar

You're right. Surely the release of toxins from rot weakens a person's immune system, and the number of mold spores is no minor factor.

GundelP's avatar

Basically this is what Dr. Tom Cowan also suggested. The decomposing material is the problem but the mould itself.

Adam Antium's avatar

anecdotal stories are not proof... sorry. And sorry you had some health issues.

JJ's avatar

Go scape some mold, eat it and live in it and tell me how you feel. My landlord got fined bro you don't know the totality of it moron. This was a poor attempt at trying to psyopp people. Ttyl

Ida's avatar

I think the article is about the fact that black mold is not proven to be harmful to health. Because those methods are not suitable for proof. As a layman, if I had been entrusted with it, I would have built nests for mice from today's modern building materials and created the conditions that promote the appearance and life of mold. Then I would have put the mice in them to live in. I would have recorded the quality of the air every day, the gases in it, the amount of mold spores, the mice's food, etc., and their condition. And after they died, I would have examined them to see what caused them. And if it was black mold, then by repeating the experiment and with the same result, I could have considered it proven.

Because as Agent wrote, putting mice in a moldy place and seeing if they got sick would have been enough proof that it was harmful or making them sick... But what they're doing is completely worthless as evidence, but perfectly suitable for offering sacrifices to evil...

M W's avatar

People don’t seem to realize that houses are sealed up materially and don’t breathe any more. This is considered an improvement from an energy use perspective. The consequence is that the air was affected too.

Ida's avatar

A few decades ago, they did a project called "Eden," which ended up not only starving the participants, but also releasing toxic gases from the soil. They wanted to create a self-sustaining system, and they completely insulated the greenhouse, including the soil... That was the end of the project. I don't think this project was overlooked when such building codes were passed!

Ida's avatar

This is also part of the genocide plan!

JJ's avatar

Then eat it and live in or stfu bc quite frankly idgaf anymore what retards who have never experienced it think. Get vaxed while you're at it bc you sound as retarded as an mRna simp to people who know and are sick of the gaslit and brainwashed slumlord simps

GundelP's avatar

It is not mRNA, there is no mRNA in them, mRNA is a myth. The content is harmful metals, poisons (they found even thallium in AZeneca's) and graphene oxide based self assembling nanotech.

Here in details, different types examined, official (public notary).

https://rumble.com/v4n6hsn-analysis-on-covid-19-vaccines-performed-by-prof.-lorena-diblasi-and-dr.-mar.html?e9s=src_v1_upp

Ida's avatar

I think you should think again! I'm not saying it's good to live with mold, I'm just saying you don't know if it's because of it that you got sick or because of other substances released in the reaction.

JJ's avatar

I even did diet, medication, supplement and all other stuff eliminated. I know for a fact it was mold. Wait till you find out how wood worms can go after your wooden furniture and have a parasite that can bite you and give people rashes, even bore into soft tissue and organs, destroy wood floor and laminate floors due to eating the glue. I know my body and mind and what was going on with me. Thanks byeeee

Adam Antium's avatar

Why would i "scape some mold" and eat it? What would that do? What would that disprove about what i said??

Digging up Rocks's avatar

I eat mold quite regularly. I love a good bleu cheese as well as some Brie. Love the taste that mold brings to it, and haven't gotten sick from eating it. I'm not allergic to penicillin either, and it's thanks to mold we have that.

GundelP's avatar

Interesting comment thank you. I also love blue cheese and have no problem eating it, while I am allergic to penicillin in drugs since a bad overdosing in my childhood. Blue mould is penicillin if I am not wrong.

JJ's avatar

Go Fuck yourself.

Adam Antium's avatar

exactly what i mean about your poor attitude!! That shit is toxic! That's why you got sick, you just blame the mold cause you won't look in the mirror!!

JJ's avatar

Maybe you should stop being snarky and disrespectful and then playing crybully bc your gaslighting people who truly know their body and mind and know mold is bad for you. Fucking twerp. What was the response that you were looking for shithead?

Adam Antium's avatar

you think you got sick from mold but you can't prove it was the mold... maybe it was the material the mold was growing on?? maybe it was all the stress of dealing with this for years??? maybe it was your bad attitude?? i don't know what it was but your GUESS at mold is just a GUESS!!!! That was my point! You beLIEve it was mold but that's not proof!! Believing things without proof is how this world got so fucked up... get my point yet???

JJ's avatar

Note due to comments about why I didn't move ( couldn't afford to it was a " luxury apartment, I was paying 2300/Mon got sick and it was extremely difficult to even work for the sadist of the lawyer I worked for) so yeah fuck you

jeanice barcelo's avatar

The timeline you mention here is similar to the timeline involving the roll-out of alternating current (in the late 1800s) and then wireless telegraphy in the early 1900s. There is no question that electricity, and especially wireless frequencies, have driven many diseases including respiratory problems, diabetes, cancer, and heart disease. A book entitled "The Invisible Rainbow" by Arthur Firstenberg, is a must read and documents this truth in great detail. Moreover, wireless radiation and frequencies cause mold and fungus to proliferate, hence you will find people becoming more and more sick as the radiation levels in their homes increase and the wireless frequencies rise. The medical establishment will never tell people this although there is no doubt those at the top know that the radiation is driving this problem. Those who control the medical establishment are intimately connected to those who control the wireless industry, both of which are the top culprits in terms of exposing unwitting people to massive levels of radiation under the guise of "diagnosis", "treatment", and "communications". In fact, it is all weaponry designed to poison, mind control and ultimately kill us. So while I do think mold is a problem because I can feel the wheezing in my chest when I am exposed to it for too long, I also know that radiation is the driving force behind it and if we got rid of the radiation in our homes, the mold would stop proliferating. If we don't do this, it matters not how much money we spend to mitigate mold in the home. The mold will return because most everyone is completely surrounded by radiation through their wireless devices and by living near cell towers.

summer's avatar

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!! You are spot on, and have saved me from having to write a similar comment!!!

GundelP's avatar

Don't miss the zinc connection in that book people! Especially if you have anyone around you with denture (zinc containing adhesives) or known EMF sensitivity.

Anyone remembers what was advised at the beginning of the hoax C pandemic for the rebels who didn't want vax? Eat zinc. And Ivermectin. They loved to poison us in this or that way.

jeanice barcelo's avatar

Are you saying zinc is good or bad? I don't remember reading about it in Firstenberg's book.

GundelP's avatar

According to Firstenberg, bad. They noticed that EMF sensitive people urinate lots of zinc, first it was thought that they were depleted of zinc but Firstenberg wrote that the opposite is true, they couldn’t get rid of the excess zinc fast enough. He also wrote about that supplementing with zinc caused degeneration, dementia, I found it interesting that at the beginning of the hoax or rather radiation pandemic, '“alternative” sources pushed zinc as covid prevention / cure. But try to read back from the original source, the chapter name is the “Zinc Connection”.

jeanice barcelo's avatar

It does occur to me that the majority of these "alternative" sources are nothing other than controlled opposition. We need to be so, so careful what we accept as truth.

jeanice barcelo's avatar

I will definitely do that! Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I did start taking zinc early on with the COVID nonsense but IMMEDIATELY I noticed it bothered my stomach. So I stopped taking it and never bought it again. And now I never will! I am one of those people considered "EMF sensitive". I freaking hate being around any wireless devices, which are all pumping out ultrasound as well as EMF. We are living in a very sick society, headed straight for its own destruction due to addiction to these absurd devices. I don't know what is wrong with people that they cannot see this and do not feel the frequencies and radiation themselves.

GundelP's avatar

Same here, I mean the sensitivity part and my thought are the same, people are deluded and totally addicted to their smart toys.

Btw zinc interacts with copper.

DrFrankDDS's avatar

The houses back then had plenty of air leaks & circulation with breathing walls. Not the airtight garbage we have now. Besides chat is programmed with huge contemporary censorship

Miss Parker's avatar

Yes, building codes require air-tight houses to mazimize our exposure to off-gassing from carpets, upholstery, clothing, cooking, wood, plastic and paint finishes, spray cleaners and personal products, radiation, and much more.

Still, as beneficial as more air changes in a structure would normally be, today we have to choose between nano-metal and plastic particulate contaminated and polluted "fresh" air and interior polluted air. We should all look into lab-grade nano air and water filters for our homes, as well as build out and furnish the interiors with non-noxious materials.

My husband's house has a leaky roof, and there's been some mold growing over the years which I paint from time to time. He's sensitive to allergens but the mold doesn't appear to bother him.

Interesting article about yet another potentially lucrative lie. The horrors done to the animals still difficult to read, though.

summer's avatar

Absolutely correct. Due to building codes, today's homes are constructed to be boxes sealed in plastic that don't allow any natural air flow other than via artificial pumps etc. Restrictions and rules continue to demand even more insulation, and apparently by 2030 (if agendas don't come unrailed, which they definitely to) homes will require "remediation" with TRIPLE pane glass windows and even more insulation, the plan being that most people can't afford this and will be forced to abandon their homes to Blackrock and move to the 15 minute prison cell blocks in towns.

BTW we have watched many of these ugly shoddy multi-level prison blocks constructed in our local towns, often standing for weeks or months in a state of partial construction, possibly with some flapping tarps tied on it, while winter rains pour all over it. Then the cladding is put on and the interiors finished and people move in. Of course when mold is discovered in the walls later on the building will be condemned and the tenants evicted and left homeless. All part of the evil plan.........

Meanwhile we are grateful for the under-door drafts and breathable walls of our older home.

Digging up Rocks's avatar

They also had lead paint and asbestos. Not everything "back then" was good. Not everything today is, either.

summer's avatar

Lead paint actually blocks radiation including 5G. Was anyone ever actually proven to get sick or die from it? Or was there an ulterior motive for vilifying it? And see my comment elsewhere about the deadly asbestos. If you research borax you will also find vilification of a substance that is actually of great health benefit to the human body. Ditto for copper. Both brain plaques and cholesterol production are our body's desperate attempts to wall of toxins and patch the destruction of toxins in order to save our lives. The vilification of gluten was/is only to divert us from the true culprit of illness -- glyphosate.

We live in a world of 180 degree inversion, and fingers pointing our focus in the completely opposite direction so we won't see what is really going on behind our backs -- eg. MASSIVE poisoning. Whenever there is a big vilification campaign about anything, i treat it as a wake up call for more research. You will notice that there is NEVER any vilification campaign about chemtrails, fluoride, glyphosate, Rocky medicine or any of the other poisons we are being subjected to.

Digging up Rocks's avatar

Yes. Lead ingestion/toxicity is easy to detect when it's severe enough to affect the body. A lead shield is not the same as lead deposited in the body. In adults, most goes to bone and pretty harmless there, but the half life is very long and it leaches back into the bloodstream, taking it to every component of the body. It causes various cellular disruption and hence physiologic processes. This is info isn't secret.

Please read my entire previous post before trying to chastise me about glyphosate et al. Did I say everything we encounter today is amazing?

As for copper - it's an essential trace mineral. But ask someone with Wilson's disease on the liver transplant list or with dementia about it not being toxic. Just about everything on this planet, and then substances not from this planet, can be toxic given the right concentration and dose.

vejjiejamie's avatar

CLEAN UP YOUR DIETS, NO MORE DIS EASE!!!!! diseases arent even real, there are TWO SIDES TO CHEMISTRY, if you are exhibiting symptoms, you are ACIDIC, FIX IT!!!

vejjiejamie's avatar

oh summer you are speaking my language!!!!!!!!!! babies werent eating paint chips, the lead paint blocked the radiation!!!!!!!!! lead paint and blue paint, this is what we all need for our homes moving forward!!!!!!

vejjiejamie's avatar

and no one is gluten intolerant, wr are ALL PESTICIDE INTOLERANT!!!!!!!

ASK's avatar

I get the impression that if we didn’t allow “scientists” to torture mice in the lab, that we’d have a serious serial killer problem. The experiments they are described doing are sick.

I always wondered if part of the house mold was due to the tyvek wrap that became standard in home building.

Digging up Rocks's avatar

The Nuremberg code helped shape the ethics of human medical experimentation. We (allegedly) don't willfully harm people to study effects of infection, treatment, etc. This is why you won't see any studies injecting black mold, or any potentially toxic compound, into the lungs of people just to study it. I say allegedly, because hell, we all went through the Covid farce, and once upon a time cigarettes were touted as healthy when we know they are toxic.

summer's avatar

The Nuremberg Code turned out to be yet another toothless fraud on the people of the world, as those of us who tried to use it during the covid/mask/jab frenzy soon found out. The so-called "human rights" branch of our sham govt. didn't give one iota about it, or anything else, including our so-called "charter rights" here in Canada. We later found out that the Canadian constitution has never even been ratified, so we actually don't have a constitution OR a charter of rights (see The Myth is Canada website and the film Canada The Illusion.)

If Agent carries on exposing fake wars, he will no doubt discover that the Nuremberg Code is yet another fraud meant to appease the ignorant public. There is an excellent 4 part documentary on Rumble exposing the truth about WW 2 called Europa The Last Battle, well worth taking it in, here's a one minute summary of this mind-blowing series:

https://rumble.com/v5w0fq2-cultivate-elevate-europa-the-last-battle.html?e9s=src_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_m

GundelP's avatar

It was a deliberate sham in the UK, too (I think sham is the right word?), they allegedly made a law or advisory on masks - whatever - but reading it, it turned out that you didn't have to wear it if you had this or that condition or it simply made you too nervous. I used it all along not to wear one, but the panicked sheep couldn't handle this and I had serious confrontations with some of them when trying to push me. Travel companies took a nasty part in the hoax and pushing. Really nasty. But my point is if people - who didn't want to wear a mask - would bother to read they would have known there was a way out. I totally lost my faith in humanity during that times.

summer's avatar

You are absolutely right, the most important part being that a "mandate" (a word rarely heard before covid) is NOT a law! I can't tell you how many times i had to stand firm on that when confronted. And of course since it is a fake "law" they had to leave some loopholes, conditions to let people off, but everyone was too terrified to even read about it or care. And it was silly that people had to come up with some particular condition that meant they "couldn't" wear a mask, instead of just stating that they WOULDN'T wear a mask. Every single person was exempt from this "law" becos we ALL need to breathe oxigenated air to live.

And the real psyop was that they didn't need to have police enforce any of this, becos the public themselves were happy to do the policing of any who stepped out of line! I too lost my faith in humanity during those times and it hasn't been easy to get it back.

Digging up Rocks's avatar

What does the Canadian constitution have to do with medical ethics?

ASK's avatar

Yet there are laws that Congress passed that allow the government / military to experiment on us without our knowledge. They can spray whatever they want on us. Just look at all the sick twisted experiments that Fauci and Gates have been able to perpetrate on unsuspecting people and children. Disgusting.

Nuremberg means nothing to this globalist sickos.

GundelP's avatar

Be careful with cigarettes. They are far not as unhealthy as the marketing tells. It was a UK experiment which ended with the result that you have to be in a pub or similar place full with cigarette smoke for 30 years to develop lung cancer.

The HBO (if I recall well the channel) made a documentary sometime before 2000 on nicotine and they claimed it would be the miracle drug of the next century. Arthur Firstenberg proved (The Invisible Rainbow again) based on statistics / data that people got lung cancer (and other type of cancers) because of radiation (electricity and the rest) independently that they were smokers or not, the culprit was not the smoking. Robert O Becker MD also proved the cancer - radiation connection (Cross Currents), the point was if I recall well, that electric processes drive our bodies, regeneration, etc but when with other electric influences messing with it, the process turns bad, like cells start to turn back to become stem cell then to become the required cell but just before it would reach the stem cell state it turns into cancerous cell because of the disturbance.

Nicotine is a strong antidepressant (one of its benefits) without those nasty side effects of antidepressant. But of course if smoking helps, they cant push their drugs on you.

As about what a poison it is... we have tobacco plants, slugs love them to bits, no one died among them for chewing these plants.

Alfred Nassim's avatar

All these fake diseases are obviously to distract from the very real effects of vaccines and medications. Often vaccines taken years earlier.

A red herring.

mahtigwess's avatar

i havent read the whole article, but those articles about Kansas in the 19th century, mold was formerly a word used to describe the soil. I am positive the black mold that they liked in Kansas in the 19th century was good quality soil for farming. Not mold in the sense of a fungus or something like that.

summer's avatar

Yes you are absolutely right. Most gardeners know that the word "mold" was/is used for a type of quality growing soil, and while it may be rich in microrhyzal fungi which are of huge benefit to plants, it does not mean the kind of mold that grows under the kitchen sink when your tap is leaking.

summer's avatar

Another example is what we gardeners call "leaf mold", which is the beautiful soil resulting from well-rotted leaves. It is extremely nutritious for all plants, nature's natural fertilizer. Never heard of anyone with "leaf mold sickness" either.......

Through the Looking Glass's avatar

Very much appreciate this substack's work but I am concerned about dismissing this topic even though it is an area filled with grifters and dubious information.

Having had this issue become my unofficial area of study due to the serious health problems it caused by younger son, and the fallout it generated into a long-term odyssey of dominos crashing in every area, I have some experience here with both the medical side (as patients) and the homeowner side, having undergone mutliple remediations in several homes and made very bad decisions based on alarmists and unscrupulous or indifferent testers and remediators.

All that said, indoor mold and bacteria on building materials can be a very serious issue especially for people who are already predisposed genetically to not well handle these type of toxins or from other concomitant illnesses (typical) and it should be cleaned up professionally in a way that doesn't introduce it into the living environment.

It is however, practically impossible to communicate said harms to those who haven't experienced it first hand, are not particularly susceptible to it, or for whom this issue just isn't on the radar etc ... . But I would however, take biotoxin related illness as a potential major input to explore as many people end up being treated for pulmonary, dermatological, neurological, gastrointestinal, psychological, symptoms by the medical establishment, which generate other issues without ever knowing there might be something external driving these multiple symptoms.

Inflammatory illnesses are insidious in that once sick, the body in an attempt to protect itself generalizes and starts to become reactive to an increasing number of things. Seeking symptom relief from traditional medical providers can be catastrophic.

And with all the other things we have to deal with now - poisoned air, food, water, EMF, vaccines, etc ... this is just one more back-breaking thing the body has to deal with ...

I would suggest finding a medical professional who deals with this sort of environmental illness specifically, else the rest of them will eventually shunt you to a psychiatrist as a malingerer. Not going into a fear state is critical, especially if children are affected.

And Gary Rosen's works about how to do proper remediation without abandoning your house and belongings and where to look for most likely sources is excellent. Anyway, here's some information should anyone be interested.

Kindest regards from one who made all the mistakes ...

Shoemaker, R.C. & House, D.E. (2006). “Sick building syndrome (SBS) and exposure to water-damaged buildings: time series study, clinical trial and mechanisms.” Neurotoxicology and Teratology, 28(5):573–588. doi:10.1016/j.ntt.2006.07.003.

Indoor air of water-damaged buildings contains fungi, mycotoxins, bacteria, endotoxins, antigens, lipopolysaccharides, and volatile compounds.

In a time-series study (n=28), participants had an average of 23 symptoms, with abnormal visual contrast sensitivity (VCS) in all subjects.

After cholestyramine therapy, symptoms dropped to an average of 4 and VCS improved by ~65% after two weeks.

Biomarkers including MMP-9, leptin, VEGF, and IgE were elevated at baseline and improved moderately with therapy.

Shoemaker, R.C., House, D.E., & Ryan, J.C. (2014). “Structural brain abnormalities in patients with inflammatory illness acquired following exposure to water-damaged buildings: A volumetric MRI study using NeuroQuant®.” Neurotoxicology and Teratology, 45:18–26. doi:10.1016/j.ntt.2014.06.004.

Patients with chronic inflammatory response syndrome (CIRS) from WDB exposure showed significant brain volume differences compared to controls.

Findings included caudate nucleus atrophy and enlargement of pallidum, left amygdala, and right forebrain parenchyma.

Over 45% of patients had gliotic areas on MRI vs ~5% of controls. MR spectroscopy revealed elevated lactate and reduced glutamate/glutamine ratios.

Results suggest biotoxin-triggered systemic inflammation compromises blood–brain barrier integrity, leading to neuroanatomical and metabolic brain changes.

Dooley, M. (2024). “Chronic inflammatory response syndrome: a review …” Medical Research Archives. PMC11623837.

Shoemaker and Maizel conducted controlled re-exposure studies: patients improved after treatment, regressed upon re-exposure to WDBs, and improved again with re-treatment.

This provided strong causal evidence for microbial exposure in CIRS.

Shoemaker’s case definition for Chronic Biotoxin-Associated Illness (2006) includes documented exposure, multi-system symptoms, abnormal biomarkers, and therapeutic response.

Note on Schaller: No peer-reviewed journal articles by Schaller on mycotoxin harms were found. Schaller (J.L. Schaller, M.D.) has written clinical guides and books on mold illness, but these are not published in peer-reviewed medical journals.

Rosalind McGill's avatar

Thanks for your comment. I’m doing the Ritchie Shoemaker protocol and it’s given me quality of life I lacked for a couple decades. Insurance dictated doctors are ignorant . If mold biotoxin illness was recognized in the medical community, it would open floodgates for landlords to be sued & we can’t have that in society, apparently. Many people with autoimmune issues don’t know they have it.

Through the Looking Glass's avatar

Glad to hear you're doing better. I agree, just like many things, the institutions and grifters operate together to obscure things that are true and cause others to ignore the whole lot. Best wishes.

Rosalind McGill's avatar

I was taking vip peptide for my brain damage. Neuroquant mri track my progress.

Rosalind McGill's avatar

On hold due to a divorce.. excited for the change.

Farmer Pete's avatar

TTLG, might I ask how you became certain it was the mold causing problems rather than the decomposing materials that drew the mold to them for remediation? Did you happen to check and see if the materials themselves might be problematic to the home environment (such as off gassing various chemicals)? Just curious...

Through the Looking Glass's avatar

Sure. Came at this indirectly since my son and I both were battling multiple tick-borne infections which can be considered another biotoxin related illness. Another odyssey that I only found out was a problem for us indirectly. Anyway, It often turns out that people who succumb to these things are often burdened with multiple isues - this is more common than not. When I hooked up with a doc across the country who specialized in this, he told me to also check for molds based on his patients and the fact that many people are in compromised living spaces - he suggested this based on my son's bloodwork and looking at particular markers - did different types of testing mold testing including air testing at bed level (not where they usually air test which is an expensive useless test) -btw standard air testing at 5 ft is useless for sick people but is how you are able to verify your house is remediated for legal sale purposes, ERMI testing, is is a vacuumed dust sampling you can do yourself is better and differnetiates between outdoor molds and molds which grow on damp indoor building materials and most important of all, a mycotoxin panel from Realtime Labs from urine tests which show which can show which type of molds you are inhaling or ingesting (as there are high mold foods as well) - unfortunately, you don't excrete mycotoxins easily and they recycle in the body and need some sort of binder to help escort them out even after you are in a clean environment - leaving isn't enough because some people don't detox easily or fast enough. This is a a test that is recognized and upheld in court if you need to prove harm. If you show a huge amount of indoor molds on an ERMI test (which is cheap and easy to do) it is best to seek out the source. Water damage basically creates a reservoir of molds and bacterias and even though you might not be inhaling the physical mold itself, you are inhaling/ingesting small particulates, mycotoxins, and VOCs. A huge percentage of houses have a water damage problem, but you're right about other problems - toxic materials, laundry stuff, the problem is that its a stacked problem, and once you're ill, everything is another brick on your back. in my experience, if you have an undiagnosed illness, it should be a first step to check for the bit ticket items, which in the past used to be pesticides, toxic chemicals, problems in water, and indoor sick buildings from mold or something else. These are first order problems. From personal experience, I don't happen to agree with the premise of this article that it isn't a real problem. And of course, now we've got much bigger problems that we can't deal with ourselves. This at least is one that has a limited scope. In the case of the first of my houses, I would have never suspected a mold problem as there was no visible damage, I never smelled anything, but I had a very sick child with a huge host of symptoms and it turned out that his bedroom, with a weather facing wall had compromised flashing not sealed and the entire wall was wet and molding. There was enough stachybotryis and other molds of course that his mold/Lyme doc was shocked. I tested out of due diligence at his suggestion based on my son's bloodwork markers. These are neurotoxins and can affect every subsystem in the body. Hope this is useful information.

Farmer Pete's avatar

TTLG, I thought I might share this with you for consideration. I came across this gentlemen a few years back after doing a bit of a dive on mold. It is very thought provoking, if nothing else...

Caoimhín P. Connell

Forensic Industrial Hygienist

"Over the years, one of the most frequent questions we have been asked is: “What does toxic mould look like?” There is no such thing as “toxic mould” any more than there is “toxic milk” or “toxic walnuts.”

While it is true that some moulds may elicit an allergic reaction, the same may be said about cheese, or peanuts, or pine pollen, or cat dander. The term “toxic mould” was a creation of drama seeking newspaper and television journalists attempting to sensationalize what is otherwise a very boring and mundane occurrence....

All houses have mould; all houses contain billions of mould spores. Any time drywall is installed in an home, thousands of mould spores are installed on every panel, since the very fiber matrix of the drywall contains mould. All houses have the types of moulds identified by the sensationalist media as “toxic moulds.” Every cubic foot of air in a normal, healthy dry home contains hundreds of mould spores. So, you now know that your property has mould, and you now know that your property has “toxic mould.” Since it is there, we also know that if a “Certified Mould Inspector” or other type of poorly trained mould consultant performs a “mould test,” we already know that it will be “positive.”

It is important to note that mould “tests” are most commonly used only by poorly trained mould consultants who otherwise lack legitimate training in mould and fungi, and use the lab report primarily to bamboozle and impress their clients; the laboratory results are otherwise usually completely uninterpretable. We have provided a discussion on the reason why such mould “tests” are invalid; just click here."

https://www.forensic-applications.com/moulds/habits.html

Farmer Pete's avatar

And this...

"Overview

In spite of the recent media hype over the presence of mould (mold) in residences and the workplace, there is virtually no scientific or medical data that supports the level of fear and concern generated by misleading and sensationalized news reports.

All houses, offices, and workplaces have mould. All houses and workplaces contain the dreaded “toxic black mould” (a nonsensical term invented by the news media). Virtually every human, in virtually every location on earth inhales hundreds to hundreds of thousands of mould spores and mould fragments on a daily basis. And yet, contrary to common belief, there is currently no evidence that the presence of these moulds and the exposures to the same poses the threat to the health of members of the general public as suggested by irresponsible journalists, and dramatic news reports largely devoid of objective facts.

Ignoring for a moment that virtually all "mould tests" and all "mould samples" are completely invalid, and uninterpretable and cannot be used for decision making, indoor moulds almost always get the initial blame for complaints about indoor air quality. However, in the Summer of 2011, the US Department of Labor, OSHA published the guidelines Indoor Air Quality in Commercial and Institutional Buildings1, wherein OSHA referenced the Indoor Air Quality Investigation protocol in its Technical Manual and points out that all microbial contaminants combined (including viruses, fungi, mould, bacteria, nematodes, amoeba, pollen, dander, and mites) were found to be the primary sources of indoor air quality problems only 5% of the time. The unwarranted fear is propagated by a variety of “mould remediators” and “mould inspectors” who usually have no legitimate knowledge in mould or mycology but prey off the public’s fear and perform nonsensical and invalid mould “testing.”

https://forensic-applications.com/moulds/sok.html

Through the Looking Glass's avatar

Also, Gary Rosen, who I consulted with years ago - has hugely useful free information on his site which you might be interested for educating yourself on where to look, how to remediate etc .... He's the expert witness in court cases for building assessments ... https://free-mold-training.org/. A lot of people think they can just kill the mold - killing the mold is not enough, you have to physically remove it safely so that you're not dealing with the toxins which persist even if the mold is dead. Another good starter site is this one: https://momsaware.org/aware-mold-mycotoxins.html. There are a lot more knowledgable docs in this area - Shoemaker/Schaller/others though they are often very opinionated and quirky and often persecuted for their stances.

Katherine's avatar

I hate vivisection. One of the cruelest things ever.

corvus's avatar

Then you won't want to read Lab 257. I actually think that the mice/rat experiments are done on larger animals. They are just telling you they are using mice because they are small irrelevant animals (to most people).

summer's avatar

Yes, you are right. Often on dogs, cats and primates, also horses, cows and pigs. They have spent years vilifying rats and mice (even inventing deadly diseases they are supposed to carry) so that we will have no compassion whatsoever and a cultural hate of these animals. I knew someone years ago who worked at one of these labs, and she told me about experiments they did on dogs -- severing the spinal cord and then trying all sorts of experiments to repair it etc. etc., killing off the dogs after all that torture. She had a dog she had adopted from the lab becos "he was just such a nice dog she decided to take him home with her." There is apparently a big business in dog-napping in some places with the dogs being sold to labs.

summer's avatar

Oh yes, and sheep are not exempt -- remember Dolly?

DrFrankDDS's avatar

Kicks my a$$ every time I’m around mold. Wireless radiation exacerbates mold toxicity by irritation of fungus and more self defense toxins released.

summer's avatar

*** YES YES YES one thing that i believe HAS been proven is that the wifi frequency encourages the growth of fungus and mold.

GundelP's avatar

Terrain theory? Mold is there to recycle, maybe it is not directly the mold but the material goes off more quickly?

GundelP's avatar

You are probably right. It just occurred to me that I experienced this effect with kefir, everyone wants to live, including fungus. Kefir if stored on places with radiation turns into nasty, not really the taste, the effect. Also I've been thinking for a while that maybe this is the problem with pet food, they often use yeast, nowadays there are cats with alleged chicken sensitivity - think about it, in its natural state it eats birds and mice but allergic to birds? LOL.

Rae's avatar

Mold sicknesses and all building related sicknesses are caused by modern building methods and air conditioning. This is most specific to America, as most other countries do not have the same building conventions. I experienced this myself when I had mold sickness. I could not afford remediation so we ozonated our spaces (ozone gas deactivates mold spores) and the HVAC and then just stopped using the HVAC ever again. Windows were opened all summer and we used a whole house fan to draw air through. In the winter we just wore sweaters or blankets. And everyone's health improved. Now I live in an area where no one has HVAC and despite it being hot and humid and moldy, no one gets mold sicknesses. Europeans almost universally have the belief that AC is unhealthy, yet Americans act as is that belief is an old wives tale or a joke.

Penelope's avatar

Dude, with this article, you've lost credibility and opened the question of whether you're a controlled opposition agent. Mold illness is a serious health issue, and if you would talk to actual people who have gotten sick from mold and listen to their journeys, there would be no doubt about its seriousness and realness. The best studies are not done by dissecting rats, but by talking to people -- a lot of them.

There are two reasons mold didn't use to be such a big issue but is now: 1) the building materials they're using nowadays (at least in the US) are basically mold food, and 2) wifi makes mold 600x as virulent (you can look for the study that was referenced by Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt), and 30 years ago, we didn't have wifi, but now it's everywhere all the time.

I'm extremely disappointed in this gaslighty article and am now questioning everything you've written.

Farmer Pete's avatar

"In spite of the recent media hype over the presence of mould (mold) in residences and the workplace, there is virtually no scientific or medical data that supports the level of fear and concern generated by misleading and sensationalized news reports.

All houses, offices, and workplaces have mould. All houses and workplaces contain the dreaded “toxic black mould” (a nonsensical term invented by the news media). Virtually every human, in virtually every location on earth inhales hundreds to hundreds of thousands of mould spores and mould fragments on a daily basis. And yet, contrary to common belief, there is currently no evidence that the presence of these moulds and the exposures to the same poses the threat to the health of members of the general public as suggested by irresponsible journalists, and dramatic news reports largely devoid of objective facts.

Ignoring for a moment that virtually all "mould tests" and all "mould samples" are completely invalid, and uninterpretable and cannot be used for decision making, indoor moulds almost always get the initial blame for complaints about indoor air quality. However, in the Summer of 2011, the US Department of Labor, OSHA published the guidelines Indoor Air Quality in Commercial and Institutional Buildings1, wherein OSHA referenced the Indoor Air Quality Investigation protocol in its Technical Manual and points out that all microbial contaminants combined (including viruses, fungi, mould, bacteria, nematodes, amoeba, pollen, dander, and mites) were found to be the primary sources of indoor air quality problems only 5% of the time. The unwarranted fear is propagated by a variety of “mould remediators” and “mould inspectors” who usually have no legitimate knowledge in mould or mycology but prey off the public’s fear and perform nonsensical and invalid mould “testing.”"

https://www.forensic-applications.com/moulds/sok.html

Penelope's avatar

I'm not sure how reposting fake garbage is moving the discussion forward.

Farmer Pete's avatar

These aren't my words and they aren't 'fake'.

They are from Caoimhín P. Connell,

Forensic Industrial Hygienist

Mr. Connell has over 25 years experience as a practicing Industrial Hygienist.

All the articles on this site are heavily referenced with scientific literature.

https://www.forensic-applications.com/home

In several of the 'air quality' and 'mold assessment' articles, he points out that a cottage industry resulted out of fraudulent fear-mongering about mold...and that the majority of 'mold testing' is also bogus and/or completely misleading.

Do you think ad hom and baseless accusations in your original comment are a way to 'move the discussion forward'? Do better...

Penelope's avatar

I'm just calling a spade a spade. Anyone who knows anything about mold illness knows how real it is. As a health coach, I've worked with countless clients with mold illness, and guess what? When they remediate the mold or move out, they start to get better. That's empirical evidence. I've also had my own issues with mold illness that, although less severe than many of my clients, have been undeniable.

I explained in my original comment why mold is suddenly a problem now when it didn't use to be. Why is it so hard for you to understand that?

Farmer Pete's avatar

Penelope, might I inquire by what method you go about to clinically determine that the illness in each client is due exclusively to the presence of mold in the environment?

As an example, how do you determine that it is not other factors which may be part of the etiological backdrop... termites, protozoans, endotoxins, VOCs, formaldehyde (chemical building materials which may be off gassing during the rotting process for which the mold begins to feed), cleaning products, furniture, pesticides, window filtered sunlight exposure, and generally poor ventilation, etc... all similarly "associated" in the literature...obviously association does not prove causation.

Although it is well established that there exists an “association” between damp in buildings and a slight increase in observed adverse health effects, it is also well established that no one has been able to conclusively demonstrate that the association is exclusively due to the presence of mould. This is not to say that an individual may not be allergic to mold in the same way as lobster or peanuts (but we do not say that lobster or celery are "toxic" because certain people might have sensitivities...)

Microorganisms are ubiquitous in our environment and within and upon the human body. There is no place on the planet Earth that man can go and avoid microorganisms. It is known that these organisms are present in every house on the planet to some extent. Several studies have been conducted concerning the high prevalence of moulds in "normal, clean" homes. And one must recognize that all homes contain "toxic moulds" on surfaces and in the air....whether visible on walls or not. If molds/fungi role in nature is to remediate and decompose, I have to wonder if it makes any sense that it is the mold itself that is the real problem...

Penelope's avatar

Pete, you clearly know nothing about mold illness. I'm not here to educate you in the form of a debate, and I'm actually wondering if you're the author of this post with a new profile from which to argue in the comments section. If you want to parasitize my time arguing about things regarding which you know nothing, you can pay me my hourly rate. Otherwise, I suggest you do some research on mold illness. I can recommend Dr. Richard Shoemaker's website survivingmold.com and Dr. Neil Nathan's book "Toxic:" to begin to educate yourself about this topic.

DrFrankDDS's avatar

Study Baubiologie doctorate program from Germany. Mold much worse in our synthetic products and EMF environment. I grew up in moldy basement and had horrible allergies and now in leaky old house only have problems around laundry room when very humid which rarely happens out here in desert. If course dense human species carnivore diet for 4 years eliminated more plant based autoimmune diseases.