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B12 is a Myth's avatar

Such an important topic! - Synthetic supplements being sold for "vitamin deficiencies" are one of the biggest lies ever told by the pharmaceutical companies who patent and manufacture them. It all involves animal experiments that are meaningless to humans and poison ingredients not required to be listed on the bottle... If you're particularly interested in Vitamin B12 and Vitamin D, there is a new book "The Enigma of Vitamin B12: Nature's Only Mistake"? out June 1. Professional advance reviews are all awarding it 5 stars.

FollowsTheWay's avatar

Based on Agent131711's articles on vitamins, my wife and I stopped taking multi-vitamins and vitamin D.

I still must confess that I am not 100% comfortable doing so, but onward I go, seeking the truth of the matter.

Yesterday I saw a Dr. Berg Youtube video on plantar fasciitis; and surprisingly (to me), he recommended magnesium supplements for this, and then added: When you take magnesium, then you need to take vitamin-D supplements also, because the magnesium will deplete the vit-D, and vice-versa.

I thought, so if Vit-D is fake. Are the magnesium supplements fake too? Is all of this fake? Taking these 2 supplements will actually have zero effect on the plantar fasciitis?

Are there *any* NON-vitamin supplements that are actually helpful?

Do certain mushrooms reduced to a powder really help cognition?

Does "saw palmetto extract" powder really help with an enlarged prostate?

How about "D-Mannose" for UTIs? Many swear by it. Is it fake too? Placebo effect then?

I guess I am a bit overwhelmed with possible questions, trying to sort all of this out.

Very, very interesting though.

I like to know the truth about things, no matter where it might lead.

Thanks for this latest article, as I discern, discern.

Farmer Pete's avatar

"I thought, so if Vit-D is fake. Are the magnesium supplements fake too? Is all of this fake? Taking these 2 supplements will actually have zero effect on the plantar fasciitis?

Are there *any* NON-vitamin supplements that are actually helpful?"

Follows, it isn't necessarily because they are "fake". But "Vitamins" are human imaginary constructs, and what you find in the bottle is the end result of a chemical and industrial waste ingredient gauntlet that creates a new end product that has nothing to do with original source it "came from"...(and certainly is not bottled sunlight in the case of "D").

Minerals can be observed in nature. But even if they could be cleanly 'extracted' and passed through the labs and into the pills with purity, I am skeptical that they can offer the miracles of mother nature working as some kind of isolated compound.

Supplements are reclassified and fancily labeled drugs posing as something "natural". When you take any drug you will create an effect. Some might even feel they are "working" because the effect may suppress symptoms of a particular condition. Usually, this conclusion is based on short-term outcomes and not following along for long-term clinical based outcomes and things like 'longevity'. What also will be missing from "evidence" found in all the literature is what other effects will be experienced by the participants.

FollowsTheWay's avatar

Great points. Thank you.

ClearMiddle's avatar

"Are there *any* NON-vitamin supplements that are actually helpful?"

Several of my favorite "supplements" are organic blueberries (the conventional ones have now made the EWG "Dirty Dozen" list) or even better when in season, blueberries and blackberries organically grown in the orchard out back, oregano and thyme growing in a pot out back (trim some branches and strip the leaves into what you are cooking), and imported organic turmeric root (scrub the outside, slice, and drop into what you are cooking).

The possibilities are endless.

Isabelle's avatar

Essayez l'argiel, en cataplasme...

Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

It looks like most forms of booze have been toxic for about 3 years:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/once-a-killer-always-a-killer-a15

Patients in hospitals are poisoned even with Ensure:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/ensure

Kim Delayne Paddock's avatar

I've been doing some videos about the toxic chemical waste called "vitamins". Your information about Ivermectin was priceless. Satan is the father of lies, and this fake worldwide "government" is proof of it. Will people ever learn?

anton's avatar

I'm a fan of your work. I heard about the raw meat conspiracy basically alleging that raw meat and other animal products is the only thing that we really need to be healthy and that many plants are truly toxic.

Sober Christian Gentleman's avatar

The meat/carnivore people are riding on the back of the true healthy effects of dropping Oxilates from your diet. The fastest way to de-oxalate is to eat only meat because oxalates are found only in small doses or not at all.

I have several podcasts on the subject.

Lectins and Oxilates are plants secret ability to keep us from eating all of them. Lol.

summer's avatar

The only thing nature provides that really does WANT to be eaten by humans is fruit -- designed to be sweet in taste and colourful to attract us to it. The purpose is for us to spread the seed/pits far and wide -- seedless fruit is devoid of life force energy. And fruit in its whole synergistic form provides structured water, natural sugars and nutrients our bodies know how to use. Moving from vegetarian to fruitarian is a spiritual step towards respecting the life and consciousness of all living things, with the final step being breatharianism, where one is able to live solely on one's own inner light, or life force energy, which requires a state of high frequency. Carnism is at the very opposite end of the scale, holding us in the 3D consumption reality that thrives on fear, torture, killing, destroying. As with everything else, it's all about the frequency we take into ourselves, radiate, and resonate with, and the choice is ours.

Farmer Pete's avatar

1) How do you claim to know what nature wants?

2) Does an antelope want to be eaten by a cheetah? Does a termite want to be eaten by a gorilla? Does a tree want to be turned into a human shelter?

ClearMiddle's avatar

I've been skeptical about what Agent131711 has written in the past concerning white rice, but this article is setting off alarm bells in what's left of my mind. I have been using white rice and other starches to help prevent further weight loss, as I'm pretty much down to skin and bones. This happened following an experiment I did a year or so ago involving taking a bunch of supplements (recommended by my former 'alternative practitioners'), just before I began to learn about supplements from reading here and elsewhere.

I wasn't eating white rice back then, I don't think, but I added it in, sourced from a premium organic grower, because it cooks quickly and provides lots of starch. Wouldn't it be ironic, though, if doing so were sustaining the weight loss rather than controlling it. And other symptoms began to appear a year ago, not long afterward, that fit with what is described in this article. Uh oh.

So I'll do the experiment and eliminate the white rice, although I will continue with the other kinds of unpolished rice and "wild rice" that I buy coming from the same grower, Lundberg. I might also switch to direct-ship from them, rather than buying through a grocery store. I've already done that with my meat, and Lundberg's main site is just 100 miles or so north of here (although they're big and most of the rice is grown elsewhere).

Whatever happens, I plan to write about it in my Substack, whenever it does or doesn't happen.

Rand Bradley's avatar

There’s actually a diet out there based on starch, the McDougall Starch based diet. I followed it for a while and yes you can lose weight up to a point.

ClearMiddle's avatar

I'm a fan of starches, but I'm also bordering on underweight and the last thing I want to do is lose more weight! I was damaged fairly heavily at birth by medical malpractice and malfeasance and I've had to develop a special diet just to keep going as I age. I made lots of mistakes but something must have worked. My parents died in their 50s and I'm about to hit 75.

Alexander Rimmer's avatar

Clear middle, if you were taking supplements and eating white rice because you thought these were healthy. There are probably lots of other mistakes you are making. A lot of people eventually work out that synthetic poisons are poisonous (which you appear to now have some grasp on, good start). But they never quite manage the concept that natural poisons are also poisonous.

If you want to work out the stronger less immediate natural poisons that will add up over time there are two good options.

1 Do the actual work and look at the long term studies (never just the story, always the actual data, and remember something reducing inflation does not make it healthy, usually the exact opposite). Take zero notice of supposed health markers.

2. Look at what the alternative health gurus are pushing (and nut jobs on substack) and stop using all of it. Option 1 is far superior, but people are lazy and stupid so it's very rare.

Good luck.

ClearMiddle's avatar

Thank you. Why I did what I did is complicated. I learned about white rice 30 years ago, and I vaguely remember something now about it being easier to store within the distribution system because the vermin wouldn't touch it, or was that white flour. But I had received conflicting information more recently, and I have dropped 60 pounds since 2021, from overweight to possible underweight. Cooking time was also a factor.

BUT, the same source that misled me there, a prevention-focused unconventional M.D., was also instrumental in my getting off of pharmaceuticals and dropping to a healthy weight (before the further drop happened). This also is complicated, and I won't go into detail, but I had avoided one pharma lie only to be caught by another one about a "hereditary disease" that it turns out can be avoided by eating well. My regular cardiologist's cure, after finding a "calcium score" of 1200 ("really bad") had been expensive ($300/mo.) PCSK9 inhibitors, followed up later with a "covid shot" recommendation, at which point I fired him. And oh yes, it turns out that cholesterol-lowering drugs can prevent weight loss. Good to know.

I learned about evaluating health-related "studies" some 15 years ago, and I used to subscribe to a service that "rented" some of the studies behind paywalls at a much lower cost. I read the studies -- there is some vocabulary to acquire but it's not that hard if your background is right for it -- and took screen shots where needed, but once I understood that the lab animals being sickened and tormented in these studies were all being fed the same kind of "crap-in-a-bag" animal "feeds", there was not that much else to research. Species-inappropriate diets are a gold standard for research targeted at "proving" nutritional falsehoods, because that's what the researchers are paid to do. Data? Garbage in, garbage out.

I know that the BMI is nonsense, but I also can recognize overweight and underweight. My father was the former, and my mother was the latter all the time I knew her. She died of cancer at 54 when I was 26, and I am approaching 75 now. My father died at 58 when I was 32, from that aforementioned "hereditary disease", which can shorten life if your diet is bad enough, and his and his brother's (died at 47) were. I seem to have gotten a few things right.

I have entirely eliminated the polished white rice (can it be used as a pesticide?), but continued with other kinds of non-polished rice in smaller portions. The extra fiber helps with a gut birth defect that I have -- that one is physical, and very real. I solved the cooking time problem, and of course I have other good things to eat, some home-grown. It's too soon to tell if there is improvement, but my weight is steady.

It is easier to poison oneself than to recover. Thanks again.

Alexander Rimmer's avatar

Good luck on your journey it's hard to escape the pharma treadmill any time but it must be even harder if you in poor health. Sometimes I forget how easy I've got it, the limit of my poor health is, I get a bit of a sore knee if I run for more than a couple of hours.

I do test outside of all of the healthy ranges for pretty much everything (including cholesterol and blood pressure) and get prescribed every medication, vaccine and supplement known to man if I go to a doctor (haven't been for a decade or so now). I fortunately have no reason to fall for the scam as I have no ailments.

I was also fortunate that a doctor nearly killed my Nanna when I was a child so I realised early on how completey uninterested in actual health they are. I always fought very hard against my mother trying to drug me as a child in the 80s and 90s. So now it's very easy for me to say no. For most people it's just not an option.

ClearMiddle's avatar

Yes, it is harder if in poor health. And hospitals and doctors work hard to make people unhealthy from the time they are born if not before. It saves them time at birth and generates lots of downstream revenue. Plus at least some of them get a kick out of doing it.

Those "ranges" are cooked up and adjusted by marketing people. There is corruption everywhere you look.

There came a point in my life where I was no longer willing to spend a large portion of my time trying to figure all this stuff out. That makes me a little more vulnerable to deception now, but it frees a person to contemplate what life is, and what to do with the time.

Miss Parker's avatar

Is TB a bad, bad germ and contagious, or is it induced by environmental conditions on an individual basis?

Agent 131711 and Latypova of Due Diligence and Art are currently debunking The Modern Science of yesteryear in tandem:

https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/is-tuberculosis-contagious/comments?utm_source=substack%2Csubstack&publication_id=870364&post_id=158373147&utm_medium=email%2Cemail&isFreemail=false&comments=true&utm_campaign=email-half-magic-comments&action=post-comment

Sober Christian Gentleman's avatar

Great article. What a toxic mess. Death comes in a bottle too, not just a pill.

Robert Townshend's avatar

Thanks for a great read. Big Med just wants us to pop pills: vitamins for slack eating today, statins for chalk-brain tomorrow. And the Father of the Warp Speed will fight for your right to Ivermectin.

For brown, red and black rice I use a high-tech solution called "soaking". When I follow this with another shocking innovation called "pressure cooking" I have all the full-grain rice I like with little effort. Less sticky and temperamental than the white stuff to cook, store or reheat.

Cara Page's avatar

Thankyou. Your research is life changing! I really appreciate you sharing it for free!

Farmer Pete's avatar

Yes. I was hoping you'd circle back to these dodgy drugs. The time is now to expose this scam.

I recall reading through some of those original discovery papers and scratching my head.

Any logical scientific investigator would have started from a premise of toxicology when trying to sort out why large numbers of people were suffering from various conditions. I suppose some did, or if they had that notion, it was buried or steered to the preferred replacement concept.

At least with imaginary entities ("germ theory"), the idea was that mother nature was trying to poison people, and not man, his industry, and his processed food-like stuffs. But they ignored real poison and assigned fictional entities and attributes to those coming from mother nature.

Instead they started with tiny little groups of animals who they wanted already sick beginning with processed garbage diets and prison-like living conditions...wow, I wonder what is making them sick? Then they just made a new potion from the lab (from the food), and added it to a new diet, never controlling for every step in any of these 'studies', and voila, "it was the thing that was not there! We found it! Start handing out Nobel prizes and flood the "science journals" (marketing outlets) with all the great news!" It wasn't because you were ingesting poison regularly, it was because you were "deficient".

FloxedAndFurious's avatar

After 40+ years of training (until I got massively floxed) and "supplements," I'm having a very slow-brewing and painful epiphany that I too might have been bamboozled into another "belief." Wonder if the "IV infusions" for "wellness" and "chemo damage recovery" are also bullshit. Glutathione, NAD+, taurine, lysine, ALA, the list is endless. And the (in?)famous Methylene Blue? Another coal tar derivative. What about the alleged literature? My oh my. Guess it's time to go 100% basal on a 1000-day water fast. Any really pure water left out there? Or is it all "filtered" toilet bowl sludge nowadays, fresh from the Shitsville Springs? What a predicament. Can't eat, can't drink, can't even breathe (can't avoid sucking in those chemtrail poisons). All while in a cauldron of EMF. Is there anything left of Nature that hasn't been adulterated? Miracle to even be alive it seems

Andrea Sevilla's avatar

Maybe this helps those who are now totally confused about supplements, diet and health, which is how we are meant to feel.

When I read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Dr. Weston Price I understood all we need is what nature has given us (before it was genetically modified, hybridized, stripped of nutrients, etc.) and what our ancestors learned by trial and error were the best foods to stay alive and healthy wherever they lived.

This book is about unphotoshopped people around the world that were living in a traditional way without trade with or significant contact to Western societies and who were basically perfectly healthy and fit, much more than we can even imagine nowadays.

Of course, in present times we also need to get rid of all the poisons we have been fed in order to be able to restore health.

Good luck!

zdb's avatar

Grant Genereux proved vA is a poison not a nutrient.

ggenereux.blog