I have pictures of distance test I did if you would like them. I observed the Crystal River Nuclear Power Plant from Cedar Key Beach in Florida. 22 miles away and suppose to be over 200 feet of curvature. NOPE...NONE.
That was second time.
On Naples Beach in Florida, me and a FL Game warden was able to view Fort Meyers Beach. Bldgs with our eyes. Through binoculars we were able to see.cars, parking lots..everything. At 15.5 miles away there was supposed to be over150ft of curvature. Tallest bldg on Fort Meyers is like 300 feet,but we could see all of it.
You really have to unfluck your IN-Doctrination and really relearn what you have been told. It's important,because if you belive you come from a poop flinging monkey that lives on spinning ball, subconsciously you have become disconnected from your source, your HOME.. .Earth(Heart) they want you to belive this for control. What better way to control people than to make them a tiny speck,floating in the vastness of space...make them feel alone.
The Sun is also not 93 million miles away for the ones who keep saying that there wouldn't be a sunset or sunrise on a level earth. It's more local. I would love to sit down and have a conversation. I've been into this topic for awhile now.
I agree. The Globe earth model is more about evolution and separate from source. This was done by design. There is no connection if we are spinning around lost in space. To me it's just plain common sense. People don't even know who they are because of this.
Then churches teach about separation from God which is a lie. We were not born sinners. None of us are separated from Source...our Creator.
We have a Creator, but it isn't the God in the OT. When I realized that the Bible was tampered with, and religion is man-made, I started researching. Religion was created to divide and conquer. We are divided under many different denominations or organizations teaching different doctrine confusing the masses. Christians arguing all the time over who is right or wrong. That's Satan-evil work. Confusion. None of us should be arguing.
All you have to do is compare the God in the OT to Jesus. They do not share the same characteristics. If God is Love, the God in the OT contradicts the very definition of Love in the Bible. Jealousy, fear, wrath, murder, unforgiving, unmerciful, unloving, conditional, etc, are not characteristics of Love.
Many Bibles insert Elohim as God in the first sentence in Genesis. Elohim is not God. It's a plural word. Many gods.
If we don't interpret Genesis correctly, the rest of the Bible will not make sense. Since the beginning, when human beings were first created, we have been under Satans control.
Flat and Globe earth people argue all the time. The Globe model was created to erase our Creator. Globe is evolution. This is why they talk about how we are separated from God. No one is separated from God. Only those who choose to be.
Our Creator resides in us, not in any man-made church building. In fact the Bible tells us this.
Too many different churches teaching different doctrine, and too many different Bibles translated differently. That, to me, is a red flag. Even the KJV is different. Not all are the same.
The very definition of the Lords Prayer is different from the one we were taught. Jesus spoke Aramaic. That prayer is different in Aramaic. The meaning is different than our version of it. The Roman Catholics polluted everything.
We have Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic translations. This, alone, creates problems. We rely on man to interpret for us. We should be interpreting ourselves.
I do not label myself in any category over spiritual matters. Such as saying I am a Gnostic, which comes from Gnosis, which actually means knowledge.
I read, take bits and pieces, and move on. I don't even use the word Christian. I am a believer.
I accidentally discovered flat earth while researching the fake moon landing which also led me to the lie of we’ve gone to space. They fake it all. There are lots of videos in the alt media where you see bubbles in space (filmed in NASA’s swimming pool), dropping items in a space station under alleged zero gravity scenario yet the item falls to the floor, or perhaps my favorite is those wire harnesses they use to fake gravity as they do their flips in “space.” You can see the adjacent astroNOT grab the wires to stabilize them during/following their flip. In real time on the te-LIE-vision it all appears legit. But when you slow it down and start looking their narrative falls apart. Eric Dubay was instrumental in truly awakening me to the lie of our reality about the shape of the earth.
Remember how not long ago the astronots were stuck on the space station for months? The woman magically was tan as could be versus when she went to space and her hair was colored differently as well. And let’s not forget they were sent to “space” in June for a 2-3 weeks mission and low and behold they all remembered to bring their santa hats for Christmas they all wore for the cameras. It’s amazing they are so clairvoyant that they knew they were going to be stuck up there until Christmas so they all thought they should bring their stage props. You can’t make it up. But virtually no one questions this stuff.
They don’t question. They google it and watch a few videos debunking and then they think it’s a globe. They will pretend that they can see lander on moon with their telescope when in truth they looked up on google and don’t even own a telescope. I have caught several people saying they have proof of globe, when their actual proof is articles on the internet. Epistemology. No one has been high enough to see the truth.
You don't have a proof that you have a brain in your head, but you can infer this fact by indirect evidence. It works the same way with the heliocentric model, which explains perfectly all observable reality: sunsets, sunrises, seasons, celestial occlusions, apparent movement of celestial bodies... This last item is the foundation of the science of celestial navigation, which has been used for millenia and is still in use today to navigate the oceans. I've done it multiple times (yes, even in the age of GPS) and invariably it always gets me from point A to point B without a problem. Celestial navigation simply wouldn't work on a flat earth because its fundamentals assume heliocentricity. There's also a device called gyrocompass whose entire principle of operation is based on spherical rotating earth - it simply won't work on a flat surface or on a non-rotating sphere.
The ancients did not believe in a spinning globe. For many generations they observed the celestial sky clock with their own eyes and the knowledge it gave them was used for navigation. There are many diagrams available showing how this could work on a flat model, including the sun risings and settings. One is in The Lost History of Flat Earth.
Actually, none of the diagrams you referring to can show how this works... because it doesn't. None of the observations of the movement of celestial bodies, their occlusions, phases, etc can be explained with the flat earth model. If you think they can, then you don't understand 3D geometry. I've seen some these diagrams. It's basically people trying to understand our 3D world on a 2D piece of paper and getting hilariously tangled up. It's a good thing our ships and airplanes don't rely on flat earth models but instead account for distortions of the 2D representations of Earth or we will be getting from somewhere to nowhere 😁.
Yeah, except the presents, the cookie and the milk may have been put there by anyone. A rational person, in fact, will never attribute them to Santa Claus because they never observed Santa Claus. It's quite a different matter trying to explain the sunset or the movements of the stars with anything else but a spherical Earth.
You have seen as much of the earth shape as you have seen of Santa Claus. From your crib you can watch the movements of mobiles and butterflies and lights on the ceiling flickering and moving as cars drive past your window. This will not give your infant mind the shape of your crib.
From what you're saying I can conclude you haven't studied celestial navigation at all. This is not about the shape of the celestial sphere. It is about the predicting of the movement of the celestial bodies on it.
Thanks Agent for researching the flat earth. I can call myself a flat earther. Not with just anyone though, because that is when you see the indoctrination "questioning the globe earth is crazy, thus suggesting I am crazy". Why is it taboo for me to research what I want and make my own conclusions, especially in this day and age when we are learning many of the so called experts, no matter what field, are "snake oil salesman".
So, standing or walking around, it doesn’t matter if the earth is round or flat- but either when flying in the air, or especially floating and traversing in the ocean, round or flat matters…? So, it looks like we need to inquire with the birds and fish about this question; would their bodies or behaviors suggest which of the two possibilities is more likely…? 🦅 🐠 😄
Love your comment!!! And yes the astro-nauticals were trained in WATER. It was stunning how gullible people were, and more stunning that they STILL ARE!!!
If there's a difference in altitude that will affect what you can see, eg, if you're on a mountain top you can see further than if you're at the bottom of a mountain.
Yes, but either way, a globe has a hard geometric horizon beyond which seeing is impossible. On a flat earth, height allows you to resolve more detail, thus better distinguishing terrestrial landmarks.
Altitude of airplanes is measured by barometric pressure, with the baseline of 14.7psi at sea level. The airplane’s flight LEVEL is parallel with sea LEVEL. Ground level must also be used to keep the plane from crashing into it. Ground level or ELEVATION is the known elevation of the ground above sea LEVEL.
ELEVATIONS of mountains are measured with respect to sea level.
All earth measurements are made with respect to the horizontal plane of the surface of the earth.
I checked out the Portsmouth claims and apparently they were explained away very soon after as byproducts of light bending. I’m told its very simple to read the explanation online.
Something is wrong here. There is one simple and undebunkable proof of a CURVED surface of the earth, to prove the earth is ROUND we can look at this happen at earlier or later times by latitude.
☞As the sun goes down, the sunset line rises up the side of a building. Best if the bldg is facing a far horizon but any building will do actually. This takes no fancy equipment or calculations and zero cost.
👉a flat earth with dimming non-setting sun (the Flat Earth model) wouldn't have a sunset line rise at all, the reflection on the building side facing the sun would just get dimmer.
👉a flat earth with the sun falling over the earth's edge or spinning flat earth would only have one sunset line at a position depending on the angle to the sun and last only as long as it takes for the sun to set. It would get dimmer as less of the sun was over the horizon then get dark and it would not go up the bldg.
See this post for this and other proofs the earth is curved and round.
Saddens me that 13 people have liked this comment. Allow me to slap some stupid out of all you guys.
This phenomenon is real, but trivial. Like everything else with Globtards, the problem isn’t the observation, it’s the interpretation thereof.
Yes, a shadow line can move upward on a vertical surface during sunset. That happens in many lighting geometries, not uniquely on a spherical Earth. Calling this “undebunkable” is like calling a shadow “proof of ghosts.”
This argument assumes a single flat earth model, which is an arrogant and incorrect assumption. I’ve seen many different interpretations over the years while looking into this topic.
They straw-man flat earth as:
• a uniformly dimming sun, or
• a sun falling off an edge
But flat-earth claims aren’t a single model. Even within flat-earth lore, there are dozens of contradictory sun-path explanations. Knocking down two caricatures is not a proof of anything — it’s an argument against imaginary opponents.
And with all of us being restricted from traveling to the poles, there’s only so much we can draw knowledge from.
Buildings aren’t controlled instruments. What I mean by that, is:
A building:
• is not plumb to the local vertical with survey precision
• reflects light diffusely, not cleanly
• sits in atmospheric refraction layers
• receives scattered and indirect light
Using a building as a precision cosmological instrument is like using a toaster as a voltmeter.
And with all of the geoengeering going on these days, that only adds to things.
What I’m basically saying is this effect while true, depends on relative angles, NOT global shape.
A moving terminator line on a surface only requires:
• a light source lowering relative to the observer
• an occluding horizon (terrain, atmosphere, refraction)
That geometry exists in multiple world models, including flat ones with distance, perspective, and atmospheric extinction. The commenter never proves exclusivity.
I just love how smug these Heliocentric morons are. Science doesn’t declare victory with adjectives. Anyone announcing “undebunkable proof” is broadcasting that they don’t understand how proof works, or they’re clearly trying to deceive.
The ones who are notorious trolls probably fall into the later category.
They’re basically paid influencers to push Rome’s narrative. These people can sell out for 30 pieces of silver, but the price they’ll pay for their actions isn’t worth all the money in the world
:Revelation 21:8 (KJV) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Ever wondered why there are so many flat earth models, most contradicting each other?
It's because no one can make reasonable, logical observation which fits the flat earth concept. Hence the various "interpretations" of how the flat earth may work in practice. And all of them deficient in some way. Its the same kind of thinking religious people exhibit when trying to explain their religions, for which, equally, there's no observable evidence. So you end up with over 1000 Christian denominations all claiming their interpretation of the bible is the correct one. If you can actually observe the truth, you become bound by it - you can measure, characterise and reproduce it. You can do neither of these with the flat earth models or religious texts.
There's one other field of so called science with the same thinking - virology, whose pseudoscientific methods means anyone can "isolate" their own variant of a virus. That's how you get the thousands of variants and subvariants of a non-existent virus 😅. Flat Earth models are much the same - since they are not bound by actual reality, they can mutate into countless "variants" with each group of religious followers adhering to one or the other.
I wonder why we don't have multiple conflicting explanations of how the heliocentric model works 🤔... Could it be because it is bound by actual observations which can be reproduced even by a child with a 3D paper model in his bedroom?
If we assume what we are told, that the Earth's circumfrance is ~ 25,000 miles, the calculation for curvature is 8" per miles squared. We can prove this is incorrect by going to the coast with an Earth curve calculator and known distances to bouys or oil derricks and a camera with a long zoom lens. When you zoom in on an object with your camera, you can bring into view more of an object than should be visible based on the assumed curvature. The zoom lens changes our visual perspective, a limitation of eyesight. Many people including myself have done this experiment proving the Earth is not 25k miles in circumfrance. If the Earth is a sphere, it is not of the dimensions we are told. That's a lie.
Exactly. I was taught the helio-centric model of the solar system from the time I was a child, never informed that many esteemed scientists and thinkers believed otherwise. I lived for seven decades believing the spinning globe myth. Only after allowing myself to actually consider all the evidence, mainly from Eric Dubay as a source, did I come to realize we have been lied to. And YES, it DOES make a difference.
I remember people getting those mobiles of the solar system and hanging them above their baby's crib.......... the indoctrination starts very early..........
I took astronomy at the University. I learned all the theories, but none of them were proven, we were just supposed to accept them as taught. The Big Bang I never accepted, and later in life I learned of the geocentric theory, which matches my observations.
The two opposing theories are not taught, only the heliocentric model is taught. No mention in schools anywhere of the geocentric theory, but it is just as valid (more in my opinion based on personal observations).
There's zero curve proven to at least 300 miles visually approx with telescope but really over 4000 miles with plane and shipping routes and related timings.So if its round with 4000 plus miles of flatness it's thousands of times larger then we're told which wouldnt work in any current cosmology theory= we live in a flat realm and the edges or end are very difficult to comprehend ; I suspect they only continue as long as God needs them before purposes of seperations of the heavens from firmament and indications from Greek Hellenism and Bible is after 7 or so heavens are accounted for there is the abyss seperation chaos area before the area of non area or outer darkness where nothingness exists; it seems only quite occasionally does creator God labor to create or write new creation into existence on this dark matter purely opposite his light energies by the gist of Genesis but perhaps it's from the opposing energies of dark matter nothingness and then chaos abyss realm of wandering dragons the size of continents that we derive what's known as the chaotic modern liberal Demoncrat; haha couldn't resist but actually only partly kidding as certainly the satanic elites at least are derived from this Godless optional source of "anti power"; dependent on God's creation to vamp on to exist at all..
proton magic is one of the nastiest trolls I’ve ever come across, online.
He messaged me privately to see if we could cross promote each other at one point. And then, after a few of his snippy comments, I decided he stunk like a troll so I blocked him.
And then he went on a rampage.
I’m not the only one to deal with this online asshole. He likes to saddle in and instigate and aggravate.
Nice to see you Charles. The strange confusing comments are on purpose to cause exactly that, confusion and discredit themselves and thus anyone with non-normie ideas.
Correct. Parallax's experiments are incorrect because the curvature is only noticeable at 40 miles or greater. Ships do not just get smaller with distance, they disappear hull first over a horizon. Then we have Magellan.....
Proton Magic … You have obviously no clue. Sun and moon move in a circular motion, not as you described. Put on your thinking hat and start again without any influence, just raw thinking. Of course our Earth is round, not a square as you imagine but not a ball (baal).
You have obviously no clue. Sun and moon move in a circular motion, not as you described. Put on your thinking hat and start again without any influence, just raw thinking.
You have obviously no clue. Sun and moon move in a circular motion, not as you described. Put on your thinking hat and start again without any influence, just raw thinking.
You have obviously no clue. Sun and moon move in a circular motion, not as you described. Put on your thinking hat and start again without any influence, just raw thinking.
No worries about the spam and berating, we know that is in the FE CIA PSYOP SOP when you're up against the ropes. Keep them coming to show who you really work for, Love it!
You can see the light of the setting sun on the bottom of the clouds. But what if the sun is descending over the edge of a flat (coin-shaped) earth? Wouldn't you still get the shadows climbing up the buildings? The flat earth model that you are referencing doesn't make much conceptual sense. What is driving the sun to go roving over the earth? It's sort of cheating not to use your opponent's best model.
"But what if the sun is descending over the edge of a flat (coin-shaped) earth? Wouldn't you still get the shadows climbing up the buildings?"
I did cover that in my comment
"👉a flat earth with the sun falling over the earth's edge or spinning flat earth would only have one sunset line at a position depending on the angle to the sun and last only as long as it takes for the sun to set. It would get dimmer as less of the sun was over the horizon then get dark and it would not go up the bldg."-the going up the bldg of which is exactly what we see on earth, ergo it is curved, and also round because the time to start moving up the bldg varies by latitude.
You will not find a single flat earther who says the sun goes below the earth. It seems to rotate (or orbit) in a roughly circular motion above the plane.
The sun's light can only project so far, like a giant flashlight. At some point, the light ceases to propagate, and you have darkness.
Also, it is clear the rakia, like the air itself, has optical properties. It's characteristics are not as understood (by us), but you can be sure "they" do. It bends light (and other RF frequencies), like a waveguide.
"👉a flat earth with dimming non-setting sun (the Flat Earth model) wouldn't have a sunset line rise at all, the reflection on the building side facing the sun would just get dimmer." If you want to say gets dark lol, but there would still be no bright (or any) sunset line going up a building/tree etc, but there is. You guys' play game is just to dilute any rational talk. We know FE is a CIA etc PSYOP,
The curvature is about 7.8cm/km = (30*1.609*7.8)/30.48=12.35 feet not 600 feet
Anyway, the dishes on microwave towers need to be in-line-of-sight. Here is from AI
<< The greatest reliably documented distance between two microwave towers for line-of-sight transmission exceeds 146 miles, achieved in a 2016 test by Exalt Wireless under near-ideal atmospheric conditions with minimal Earth curvature obstruction. Dishes on such long-haul links are typically mounted at heights of 100-200 feet (30-60 meters) above ground level on each tower to maximize the radio horizon, though exact sea-level elevations depend on site topography and aren't universally specified. >>
Your numbers above suggest that the microwave towers need to be each = (146*600)/(2*30)=1460 feet high!
Glad someone beat me to the punch calling out the miscalculation made in extrapolating total elevation change over several miles. Hopefully this was an oversight and will be corrected.
Shouldn't there also be a calculation for light, as it reacts, bends, etc. Long distances we aren't looking along a straight line, we are looking around a long and gentle corner.
Over long distances surveyors calculations took this into account
I don't believe the earth is flat. However your analysis here is incorrect.
If the earth curves 7.8cm over 1 km, it will curve significantly more than 2 * 7.8cm over 2 kms.
The angle between the surface and the tangent at the origin increases with distance - therefore the drop over each km is greater than the drop over the previous one.
You can see from this calculator (use 0.01 ft for the eye level) that the drop is indeed approximately 600'.
146 mile line of site for assumedly 5g beamforming rays quite narrow between cell towers arguably is greatest tech proof of flatish earth,certainly in top running!
Just because you are credentialed doesn't mean you are not wrong, or not retarded.
The truth is, from an elevation of 0 feet, there really is 600 feet of curvature (source https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/index.html and this calculator uses the correct formula, not the 8 inches per mile squared approximation).
Obviously, as altitude increases, the horizon distance also increases, but it doesn't change the math.
Except much higher, note it’s not linear per distance, after around 6220 miles, a quarter turn, the height would be infinite. For short distances < 500 miles, the close approximation (0.1%) is d^2/2R where d is the distance travelled and R is the radius of the earth which for 146 miles gives around (146^2/7920)*5280=14,211 feet
I’m not in either camp but, my question is: even with a telescope could you see from one tower to the other? Else it ain’t line of sight.
Perhaps some bouncing off the various atmospheric layers…
Bouncing is not required. All electromagnetic waves [EDIT - actually all waves - period] diffract, and they tend to follow the curvature of the earth owing to the density and humidity gradients in the air.
This is verifiably true - it is how lenses work for example, and why we get rainbows.
You can measure diffraction in high school physics experiments, although the equations for diffraction in a constantly varying medium are more complicated than the diffraction that occurs at the boundary between air and glass.
Thanks again Agent for a great article. And yes, I agree it's in bad taste to ridicule people who believe differently to us. Because maybe not so long ago, we were there too!
And agree, the real question is - why are we being lied to, to such a degree and about so many things? 🙏🏼
Like you, I refuse to argue about it but I hate being lied to. Since we've been to lied about pretty much everything since we came into existence, what makes people think that the earth can't be flat.
We are under a dome. Does that work on a Globe? And what about the lands beyond the ice walls? There are other beings here regardless if people believe it or not. Both malevolent and benevolent beings.
Antarctica being off limits should raise many questions. Nothing should be off limits.
After doing a lot of research myself, I am leaning towards flat earth now. To each his own what they choose to believe. I just don't base my beliefs on known liars, like NASA.
People should research the ones that have been beyond the ice wall. Including military members.
Yes NOTHING should be off limits, but currently about 1/3 of the known world IS off limits to us ordinary humans, not just antarctica. All of the coast of Australia that faces antarctica is off limits and protected by military. We're not allowed to roam freely at the north pole either. We are currently only allowed to see a fraction of the Grand Canyon and all flights paths are routed around the rest of it, plus no drones allowed. Not only are all flight paths under restrictions, but all ocean navigation routes are as well. The UNESCO World Heritage Sites scam is restricting large portions of our realm from any genuine research under the guise of "protecting" it from damage, and then programming us with a false story about it. The Agenda 2030 plan has what is left of humanity contained in 15 minute hellhole cities with the other 95% of Earth nothing but a playground for the El-ites, and things are now moving swiftly in that direction now with large swathes of land being claimed for "preservation" and border crossings becoming tighter and tighter..
Many of these newer restrictions are based on BS climate excuses, and we recently saw large areas of wilderness and "parkland" now off limits becos, you know, WE might start fires there, when we all know who the grand fire producers are.
Fire and water combined with frequencies have always been the favourite weapons of the El-ites. Speaking of which, here is one of the massive proliferation of AI generated Old World/Tartaria videos now up on youtube, all about the "great fires". Very well done.
The Day Tartaria Fell: How They Erased the Greatest Empire From History
Not necessarily. People consider a circle a globe. The earth can be a flat circle. There is water above and below. We can't possibly be spinning around, without or with a dome, lost in space. Any believers out there that still believes in the Globe are being deceived. You have no Creator in that case and are lost and separated from Source. The Globe model is to separate us, and churches teach that we are separated. No one is separated from God only by choice. The Globe is evolution. No Creator.
There are many lands beyond the ice wall that people have already gone and witnessed. We are not alone.
And the fact that all the numbers used for the Globe earth have 6's in them. Not a coincidence.
I took the nearly 300 FE Bible proof-texts to the Bible & read each and every one of them within their context. My heart & mind were open to Jesus handing me any knowledge.
My journey led to FE is a psyop.
PS: I'm in a relationship with Jesus Christ. A Christian. Assuming I'm not a believer in God because I believe in the globe is a falsehood.
The falsehood is the Globe earth indoctrination. No one went to the moon, and the sun is not millions of miles away. The earth is a clock. The UN has the flat earth map. And the photos, images, etc, that NASA shows have been proven that they are not real photos or images. Gravity doesn't exist. Another lie. The lies began exactly when human beings came into existence. Our whole life is built on a lie. Even the Bible was tampered with. So that takes a much deeper dig to get the correct translations. If Genesis is not fully understood, then the rest of the Bible makes no sense. The God in the OT is not our Creator. Jesus, in no way, shares the same characteristics as the God in the OT. If God is Love yet vengeful, that's not Love. If God is a jealous God, that's not Love. If God murders his own children instead of punishing them, that's not Love. If he is unmerciful and unforgiving, that goes against who he is supposed to be. It goes against the definition of love which is not a feeling. It's a verb. It's action.
You made false assumptions about me based on only the fact that I believe Earth is a globe, then deny you made them? That's the kind of intellectual dishonesty that tells me this is a waste of time.
It's because you don't understand that the Globe model was taught with nefarious purposes. It was to disconnect us from our Creator. People still believe in evolution. Which is a lie. We didn't evolve from a big bang. That's ridiculous to even think that. But the Globe model is tied into this.
I have done extensive reading for a long time. We can't just read or watch bits and pieces. There are books from centuries ago.
We can't even call anyone a liar. We must understand all of it, both sides, then base our beliefs on that using discernment. Flat Earth has a lot more proof than the Globe model. Just the fact that a plane flys level with the ground, it doesn’t take a nose dive. It would have to dip down over a curve in order to land at its destination. Or else it would be flying straight out into nowhere. Water is always level. It absolutely does not curve around a ball. Gravity is not holding the water. And the ball spinning as fast as they claim it would fly off. We would also feel it.
They keeping people away from the ice wall for a reason. That is nefarious in itself. We have the freedom to go anywhere on earth even if it is dangerous. At our risk, but free to do so. Our Creator gave us all the land with no restrictions.
Yes it's total cognitive dissonance. If we were really spinning at 66,666 mph hanging onto a globe that is also spinning 66,666 around a sun, we would not be able to stand up! We would be flattened and ripped off into "space" in a split second. Yet we can go outside and stand with our feet grounded on Earth with not a hair on our heads moving........ We were given 5 senses in this game, yet people refuse to believe what they are telling them.......
Interesting how Disney and other cartoons were the biggest imagineers and promoters of space travel. Von Braun and Walt were friends and collaborated on some films about future space travel in the early 60s.
It wouldn't be surprising if the "Blue Marble" image of globe Earth supposedly taken in 1972 during Apollo 17 had been a Disney collaboration or complete fabrication in that same year the UN established World Environment Day. It certainly worked as propaganda, because, since then, the first and often only image of Earth that comes to mind for most people is Blue Marble.
My guess has been this realm is some sort of toroidal battery, who knows, but we can all be 100% certain that NASA and oligarch rocketeers are not showing us anything real from up above or from their CGI animator-simulators.
It could also be the case that the earth is much larger than we are told. With the correction from Alfred above, the slope of this curvature would be ever so slight.
In looking at ISS, NASA, SpaceX photos and videos and doing some maths, you could argue that the Earth's circumference is 40.000 miles, not 24.900. This does not mean I believe that the aforementioned are honest or that we have gone to the moon. But using their own data you could well be correct.
And that is using their own data. Lol. I'm leaning towards larger than that, if you believe the likes of Devils Tower/ mesas are really billions-year-old tree stumps, which I do. There are also theories out there that the earth is a remnant of a much larger, much older planet that was destroyed. Hopefully someday we will uncover the truth.
Interesting, I am in the opposite direction re time - thousands not millions, billions, or Darwinian years. Cycles run down, including the magentic sphere and all energy sources. DNA as well or if people don't believe in that, your operating system which decays every generation.
I don't believe this is true. The earth cannot be much larger than we are told because people do travel around it. Whether it's flat or a globe, the distance around the equator is the distance around the equator. And therefore - if it is a globe (as I believe) - then the circumference is known, and it is what we are told.
Every single photo, picture, or video from "space" is fake, either CGI or shot in a studio. That includes satellites, rockets, Mars, astronauts, the "planet" earth, the ISS, the CSS, lunar "probes", and every other piece of sci-fi nonsense they have come up with. If they are lying about one thing, say the Apollo 11 moon landing (notice the freemasonic "11"), they are lying about everything.
Why do you leave out the lunar eclipse? The moon in general? If the earth would be flat, you would not be able to see the curvature of the earth casting a shadow on the moon, as you would have to stand at the edge.
How do you know it's the earth? Spatially, it CANNOT be the earth, because the shadow is not oriented properly.
Also, you have obviously not heard of a selenium. A lunar eclipse where the sun and moon are both above the horizon. These are not so uncommon. Whoops. Retard.
As if you would know what is "physically possible". Instead, you spout nonsense you picked up from someone else. Simple observation will solve the "riddle".
There is no evidence whatsoever that anything called "space" exists beyond the upper reaches of the atmosphere. NASA has not been to "space", nor has any Russian, Chinese, or Katy Perry:).
NASA is one of the top money-laundering entities on earth, along with the CIA and virtually all govts, the US in particular. Yet they keep telling us all this new digital/biometric ID trap crap is to stop US dangerous folks from washing our own money, and protect us from others who are doing it!!! What a joke!
Here’s the best part about what you said, and it’s where I am today: “ Let me start this article by stating that I don’t give a flying flip what shape the earth is; what I do greatly care about is being lied to. What I further care about is our hard-earned money being invested in the perpetual perpetration of lies.”
OF COURSE THE EARTH IS FLAT! WE MEASURE IT THAT WAY.
The true aspects of the Earth's surface are revealed in how we measure them.
The shortest flat earth proof list:
1. All geometric measurements OF the earth and FROM the surface of the earth are made with respect to a horizontal plane of reference. (For example, sea level.)
2. There are no exceptions to this fact. (See #1)
3. We measure the earth as a horizontal plane (flat) because the earth is a horizontal, topographical plane. (See #1)
The only way to invalidate this fact is to provide one measurement of any aspect of the surface of Earth that does NOT require or rely on a horizontal plane of reference.
Horizontal planes of reference include: The horizon and sea level. Any references to tools like a spirit level, a compass, a sextant, or a plumb line are axiomatically tied to a level, horizontal reference plane. All verticals, like a plumb line, are axiomatically tied to horizontal. You can't have a 90° perpendicular vertical line unless it is 90° perpendicular to a horizontal line or plane.
"Flat" does not mean the earth is without texture and topography. The Earth is best described as a horizontal, topographical plane. We know this for certain because we measure all elevations, altitudes, linear distances, and angles with respect to a horizontal plane of reference, like sea level.
Sea Level is Level
The Horizon is Horizontal
Eye Level is Level
(All horizontals are parallel with each other.)
Up/Vertical is 90° perpendicular to Horizontal
The 6-mile observation measurement at the Bedford Level is a linear, straight, level, flat distance measurement.
The 200+ mile distance measurement to the mountain range in the long-distance photograph is a linear measurement.
All measurements of and from the surface of earth are flat-earth measurements.
Yup. I'm actually embarrassed to say that it has taken over half my lifetime to realize that axioms and Natural Laws are true no matter what we BELIEVE is true based on what we are taught, told, and tested on.
The surface of the earth can be described as a vast topographical plane because that's how we measure it, map and chart it, fly over it, build on it, observe and experience it. The earth is a horizontal plane because that's how we measure it; with respect to level, horizontal, and vertals 90° perpendicular to the horizontal surface.
Always have, always will, because there's truth in measurements. We measure the earth flat.
We know that the world we live in has been made into a 'theater".
We know that the theater effects our perception of the world if we believe the theater to be the real world.
We were all here on the internet before 'flat earth" was all over social media (not saying flat earth came into being then obviously people use to believe the earth was flat) being told about NASA's lies and the fake moon landings, the undead astronauts that were said to have died, the occult rituals of Jack Parsons, Hubbard and Crowley, Werner Von Braun and his paper clip career, tombstone inscription "the heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth His handiwork" we all recall the information Dr. Rosa Koire stated Werner shared with her about the 'cards' and the 'final card' being the fake alien invasion.
We now, and over the last 5-10 years have been seeing artifact after artifact in our skies and upper atmosphere, we know they have launched synthetic suns and moons while occulting our organic Sun and Moon, we have so called "space craft" we have drones, we have space X - we have the building of a STAGE using the entire realm we call the world to eventually give us a performance of a life time.
We have flat earthers telling us that the sun and moon are within the firmament like the Bible says, but what if these are the synthetics suns and moons to set the stage for final performance? What if these suns and moons, which we do SEE inside the firmament, so much closer than they use to be are the fake ones?
We KNOW that we are always being lied to, always staged events, I have one that I know IS slated for performance: It connects perfectly with agenda 2030 for sustainable development and the fake alien invasion: they will tell us that earth is no longer habitable, they will of course be lying and they will of course have a solution: they will use the Anti Gravity disc shaped craft that they got from the fake aliens (the aliens might be here to assist humanity in their time of need, be introduced based on this crisis) and they will tell us all that they will take us all on the craft to live off world. Those who go will die. I was shown this event by an angel, I know angels are messengers and this was the message I was given "many will be deceived, do not board any craft to go off planet if any do they will all die, this must come to pass" it will be grievous.
So, I wonder... Flat earth, fake suns and moons and other artificial satellites, Werner's statement + headstone, psyops everywhere, fake alien invasion, destroying our planet (nature) on purpose every day, blocking our organic Sun and Moon (deadly to all living things) agenda 2030 for sustainable development - they'll claim with all their efforts that the earth is STILL not sustainable for life (because with every SDG attained they continue their aerial assaults and they jabbings)
Get ready people & remember ALL The world IS a Stage - while the real world that our Creator made for us lays silently underneath their perpetual entertainment!
I don't share my angel accounts lightly, what I was told will come to pass, so please think twice before being saved!
Thank you for your angel account and warning. Please keep sharing such knowing!
When you wrote, "We know that the world we live in has been made into a 'theater'.
We know that the theater effects our perception of the world if we believe the theater to be the real world," the Globe Theater in London where Shakespeare was staged immediately came to mind:
"All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts..."
So here we have the Globe theater so named for the fashionable new belief in Ball Earth, and actor Shakespeare, likely played and written by polymath Francis Bacon, who also is thought to have played other parts, as well. Supposedly, Bacon's muse was Athena whose signature move was to shake a spear.
I bought the book "secret teachings of all ages" by manly p hall 30 years ago wherein he includes a image of Shakespeare with a tracing paper image of Francis Bacon that becomes superimposed over the other revealing the extreme if not exact image between the two characters. Striking. Also is claimed to be St. Germaine.
Agent wrote an excellent article a while ago about the many fake suns now in operation, and there are many sightings now of more than one sun, plus mythology about various red suns and black suns. You are correct, they are part of the stage props. And the "rapture" the christians are waiting for? Load 'em onto the "ships" and take 'em away, maybe to Mars where they can keep company with El-on. As David Icke says, underneath all the layers and layers of illusion, the Prime Earth is still there. Looking forward to getting back to it.
Yes, precisely! Every year that goes by and each new player on the stage continue to affirm what the angel shared. Elon and mars, Christians awaiting the rapture... all fit the bill and then some. Best your way.
Like many, I came into this subject as a scoffed and intended to refute it. I was pissed finding out some friends advocated it. I ran up the "Skull and Crossbones". I started digging, and digging and digging. I finally thought to myself "Houston we have a problem". Not too long later (about 6 mos total), I could not refute any of it and ran up the white flag. Keep up the good work.
I have pictures of distance test I did if you would like them. I observed the Crystal River Nuclear Power Plant from Cedar Key Beach in Florida. 22 miles away and suppose to be over 200 feet of curvature. NOPE...NONE.
That was second time.
On Naples Beach in Florida, me and a FL Game warden was able to view Fort Meyers Beach. Bldgs with our eyes. Through binoculars we were able to see.cars, parking lots..everything. At 15.5 miles away there was supposed to be over150ft of curvature. Tallest bldg on Fort Meyers is like 300 feet,but we could see all of it.
You really have to unfluck your IN-Doctrination and really relearn what you have been told. It's important,because if you belive you come from a poop flinging monkey that lives on spinning ball, subconsciously you have become disconnected from your source, your HOME.. .Earth(Heart) they want you to belive this for control. What better way to control people than to make them a tiny speck,floating in the vastness of space...make them feel alone.
The Sun is also not 93 million miles away for the ones who keep saying that there wouldn't be a sunset or sunrise on a level earth. It's more local. I would love to sit down and have a conversation. I've been into this topic for awhile now.
I agree. The Globe earth model is more about evolution and separate from source. This was done by design. There is no connection if we are spinning around lost in space. To me it's just plain common sense. People don't even know who they are because of this.
Then churches teach about separation from God which is a lie. We were not born sinners. None of us are separated from Source...our Creator.
Yes and while all the "planets" are named for gods and goddesses, Earth is actually an anagram of Heart -- we are at the CENTRE of this construct.
Funny you say that because Earth in Spanish is “Tierra”, and “tierra” also means ground. Thus, Earth also means ground.
¡Sí, así es! El amor a la tierra, que conecta nuestros cuerpos eléctricos con la tierra. ¡Hermosa Pachamama!
https://substack.com/@seventhearchivist/note/c-204721862
Outstanding info!!
"separate from source"
What does that mean?
Is that some kind of Theosophical reference?
We have a Creator, but it isn't the God in the OT. When I realized that the Bible was tampered with, and religion is man-made, I started researching. Religion was created to divide and conquer. We are divided under many different denominations or organizations teaching different doctrine confusing the masses. Christians arguing all the time over who is right or wrong. That's Satan-evil work. Confusion. None of us should be arguing.
All you have to do is compare the God in the OT to Jesus. They do not share the same characteristics. If God is Love, the God in the OT contradicts the very definition of Love in the Bible. Jealousy, fear, wrath, murder, unforgiving, unmerciful, unloving, conditional, etc, are not characteristics of Love.
Many Bibles insert Elohim as God in the first sentence in Genesis. Elohim is not God. It's a plural word. Many gods.
If we don't interpret Genesis correctly, the rest of the Bible will not make sense. Since the beginning, when human beings were first created, we have been under Satans control.
Flat and Globe earth people argue all the time. The Globe model was created to erase our Creator. Globe is evolution. This is why they talk about how we are separated from God. No one is separated from God. Only those who choose to be.
Our Creator resides in us, not in any man-made church building. In fact the Bible tells us this.
Too many different churches teaching different doctrine, and too many different Bibles translated differently. That, to me, is a red flag. Even the KJV is different. Not all are the same.
The very definition of the Lords Prayer is different from the one we were taught. Jesus spoke Aramaic. That prayer is different in Aramaic. The meaning is different than our version of it. The Roman Catholics polluted everything.
We have Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic translations. This, alone, creates problems. We rely on man to interpret for us. We should be interpreting ourselves.
I do not label myself in any category over spiritual matters. Such as saying I am a Gnostic, which comes from Gnosis, which actually means knowledge.
I read, take bits and pieces, and move on. I don't even use the word Christian. I am a believer.
I accidentally discovered flat earth while researching the fake moon landing which also led me to the lie of we’ve gone to space. They fake it all. There are lots of videos in the alt media where you see bubbles in space (filmed in NASA’s swimming pool), dropping items in a space station under alleged zero gravity scenario yet the item falls to the floor, or perhaps my favorite is those wire harnesses they use to fake gravity as they do their flips in “space.” You can see the adjacent astroNOT grab the wires to stabilize them during/following their flip. In real time on the te-LIE-vision it all appears legit. But when you slow it down and start looking their narrative falls apart. Eric Dubay was instrumental in truly awakening me to the lie of our reality about the shape of the earth.
Remember how not long ago the astronots were stuck on the space station for months? The woman magically was tan as could be versus when she went to space and her hair was colored differently as well. And let’s not forget they were sent to “space” in June for a 2-3 weeks mission and low and behold they all remembered to bring their santa hats for Christmas they all wore for the cameras. It’s amazing they are so clairvoyant that they knew they were going to be stuck up there until Christmas so they all thought they should bring their stage props. You can’t make it up. But virtually no one questions this stuff.
They don’t question. They google it and watch a few videos debunking and then they think it’s a globe. They will pretend that they can see lander on moon with their telescope when in truth they looked up on google and don’t even own a telescope. I have caught several people saying they have proof of globe, when their actual proof is articles on the internet. Epistemology. No one has been high enough to see the truth.
You don't have a proof that you have a brain in your head, but you can infer this fact by indirect evidence. It works the same way with the heliocentric model, which explains perfectly all observable reality: sunsets, sunrises, seasons, celestial occlusions, apparent movement of celestial bodies... This last item is the foundation of the science of celestial navigation, which has been used for millenia and is still in use today to navigate the oceans. I've done it multiple times (yes, even in the age of GPS) and invariably it always gets me from point A to point B without a problem. Celestial navigation simply wouldn't work on a flat earth because its fundamentals assume heliocentricity. There's also a device called gyrocompass whose entire principle of operation is based on spherical rotating earth - it simply won't work on a flat surface or on a non-rotating sphere.
The ancients did not believe in a spinning globe. For many generations they observed the celestial sky clock with their own eyes and the knowledge it gave them was used for navigation. There are many diagrams available showing how this could work on a flat model, including the sun risings and settings. One is in The Lost History of Flat Earth.
Actually, none of the diagrams you referring to can show how this works... because it doesn't. None of the observations of the movement of celestial bodies, their occlusions, phases, etc can be explained with the flat earth model. If you think they can, then you don't understand 3D geometry. I've seen some these diagrams. It's basically people trying to understand our 3D world on a 2D piece of paper and getting hilariously tangled up. It's a good thing our ships and airplanes don't rely on flat earth models but instead account for distortions of the 2D representations of Earth or we will be getting from somewhere to nowhere 😁.
The antikythera device shows how it all works on a flat plain.
Inferring from indirect evidence, leads to a belief in Santa Claus. The present 🎁 evidence, half eaten cookie 🍪, and the missing milk 🥛.
Yeah, except the presents, the cookie and the milk may have been put there by anyone. A rational person, in fact, will never attribute them to Santa Claus because they never observed Santa Claus. It's quite a different matter trying to explain the sunset or the movements of the stars with anything else but a spherical Earth.
You have seen as much of the earth shape as you have seen of Santa Claus. From your crib you can watch the movements of mobiles and butterflies and lights on the ceiling flickering and moving as cars drive past your window. This will not give your infant mind the shape of your crib.
There is a celestial sphere. It is projected onto a flat earth to make a globe model.
There is no assumption of heliocentricity at all.
From what you're saying I can conclude you haven't studied celestial navigation at all. This is not about the shape of the celestial sphere. It is about the predicting of the movement of the celestial bodies on it.
Thanks Agent for researching the flat earth. I can call myself a flat earther. Not with just anyone though, because that is when you see the indoctrination "questioning the globe earth is crazy, thus suggesting I am crazy". Why is it taboo for me to research what I want and make my own conclusions, especially in this day and age when we are learning many of the so called experts, no matter what field, are "snake oil salesman".
So, standing or walking around, it doesn’t matter if the earth is round or flat- but either when flying in the air, or especially floating and traversing in the ocean, round or flat matters…? So, it looks like we need to inquire with the birds and fish about this question; would their bodies or behaviors suggest which of the two possibilities is more likely…? 🦅 🐠 😄
Love your comment!!! And yes the astro-nauticals were trained in WATER. It was stunning how gullible people were, and more stunning that they STILL ARE!!!
The UN emblem is a flat earth map
Yes, with the rings showing what is under the dome and what is outside of it. Right in your face......
The UN might be lying, though. Like they did about Covid being a dangerous pandemic:).
But how do you determine there's no difference in altitude?
What do you mean, no difference in altitude?
If there's a difference in altitude that will affect what you can see, eg, if you're on a mountain top you can see further than if you're at the bottom of a mountain.
Yes, but either way, a globe has a hard geometric horizon beyond which seeing is impossible. On a flat earth, height allows you to resolve more detail, thus better distinguishing terrestrial landmarks.
Altitude??? You mean the measurement of your vertical height above a horizontal plane of reference? You’ll need a flat earth to measure altitudes.
Altitude is calculated from the density of the atmosphere.
Altitude of airplanes is measured by barometric pressure, with the baseline of 14.7psi at sea level. The airplane’s flight LEVEL is parallel with sea LEVEL. Ground level must also be used to keep the plane from crashing into it. Ground level or ELEVATION is the known elevation of the ground above sea LEVEL.
ELEVATIONS of mountains are measured with respect to sea level.
All earth measurements are made with respect to the horizontal plane of the surface of the earth.
I checked out the Portsmouth claims and apparently they were explained away very soon after as byproducts of light bending. I’m told its very simple to read the explanation online.
Something is wrong here. There is one simple and undebunkable proof of a CURVED surface of the earth, to prove the earth is ROUND we can look at this happen at earlier or later times by latitude.
☞As the sun goes down, the sunset line rises up the side of a building. Best if the bldg is facing a far horizon but any building will do actually. This takes no fancy equipment or calculations and zero cost.
👉a flat earth with dimming non-setting sun (the Flat Earth model) wouldn't have a sunset line rise at all, the reflection on the building side facing the sun would just get dimmer.
👉a flat earth with the sun falling over the earth's edge or spinning flat earth would only have one sunset line at a position depending on the angle to the sun and last only as long as it takes for the sun to set. It would get dimmer as less of the sun was over the horizon then get dark and it would not go up the bldg.
See this post for this and other proofs the earth is curved and round.
https://protonmagic.substack.com/p/big-round-and-beautiful
Saddens me that 13 people have liked this comment. Allow me to slap some stupid out of all you guys.
This phenomenon is real, but trivial. Like everything else with Globtards, the problem isn’t the observation, it’s the interpretation thereof.
Yes, a shadow line can move upward on a vertical surface during sunset. That happens in many lighting geometries, not uniquely on a spherical Earth. Calling this “undebunkable” is like calling a shadow “proof of ghosts.”
This argument assumes a single flat earth model, which is an arrogant and incorrect assumption. I’ve seen many different interpretations over the years while looking into this topic.
They straw-man flat earth as:
• a uniformly dimming sun, or
• a sun falling off an edge
But flat-earth claims aren’t a single model. Even within flat-earth lore, there are dozens of contradictory sun-path explanations. Knocking down two caricatures is not a proof of anything — it’s an argument against imaginary opponents.
And with all of us being restricted from traveling to the poles, there’s only so much we can draw knowledge from.
Buildings aren’t controlled instruments. What I mean by that, is:
A building:
• is not plumb to the local vertical with survey precision
• reflects light diffusely, not cleanly
• sits in atmospheric refraction layers
• receives scattered and indirect light
Using a building as a precision cosmological instrument is like using a toaster as a voltmeter.
And with all of the geoengeering going on these days, that only adds to things.
What I’m basically saying is this effect while true, depends on relative angles, NOT global shape.
A moving terminator line on a surface only requires:
• a light source lowering relative to the observer
• an occluding horizon (terrain, atmosphere, refraction)
That geometry exists in multiple world models, including flat ones with distance, perspective, and atmospheric extinction. The commenter never proves exclusivity.
I just love how smug these Heliocentric morons are. Science doesn’t declare victory with adjectives. Anyone announcing “undebunkable proof” is broadcasting that they don’t understand how proof works, or they’re clearly trying to deceive.
The ones who are notorious trolls probably fall into the later category.
They’re basically paid influencers to push Rome’s narrative. These people can sell out for 30 pieces of silver, but the price they’ll pay for their actions isn’t worth all the money in the world
:Revelation 21:8 (KJV) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Ever wondered why there are so many flat earth models, most contradicting each other?
It's because no one can make reasonable, logical observation which fits the flat earth concept. Hence the various "interpretations" of how the flat earth may work in practice. And all of them deficient in some way. Its the same kind of thinking religious people exhibit when trying to explain their religions, for which, equally, there's no observable evidence. So you end up with over 1000 Christian denominations all claiming their interpretation of the bible is the correct one. If you can actually observe the truth, you become bound by it - you can measure, characterise and reproduce it. You can do neither of these with the flat earth models or religious texts.
There's one other field of so called science with the same thinking - virology, whose pseudoscientific methods means anyone can "isolate" their own variant of a virus. That's how you get the thousands of variants and subvariants of a non-existent virus 😅. Flat Earth models are much the same - since they are not bound by actual reality, they can mutate into countless "variants" with each group of religious followers adhering to one or the other.
I wonder why we don't have multiple conflicting explanations of how the heliocentric model works 🤔... Could it be because it is bound by actual observations which can be reproduced even by a child with a 3D paper model in his bedroom?
If we assume what we are told, that the Earth's circumfrance is ~ 25,000 miles, the calculation for curvature is 8" per miles squared. We can prove this is incorrect by going to the coast with an Earth curve calculator and known distances to bouys or oil derricks and a camera with a long zoom lens. When you zoom in on an object with your camera, you can bring into view more of an object than should be visible based on the assumed curvature. The zoom lens changes our visual perspective, a limitation of eyesight. Many people including myself have done this experiment proving the Earth is not 25k miles in circumfrance. If the Earth is a sphere, it is not of the dimensions we are told. That's a lie.
Exactly. I was taught the helio-centric model of the solar system from the time I was a child, never informed that many esteemed scientists and thinkers believed otherwise. I lived for seven decades believing the spinning globe myth. Only after allowing myself to actually consider all the evidence, mainly from Eric Dubay as a source, did I come to realize we have been lied to. And YES, it DOES make a difference.
I remember people getting those mobiles of the solar system and hanging them above their baby's crib.......... the indoctrination starts very early..........
I took astronomy at the University. I learned all the theories, but none of them were proven, we were just supposed to accept them as taught. The Big Bang I never accepted, and later in life I learned of the geocentric theory, which matches my observations.
The two opposing theories are not taught, only the heliocentric model is taught. No mention in schools anywhere of the geocentric theory, but it is just as valid (more in my opinion based on personal observations).
There's zero curve proven to at least 300 miles visually approx with telescope but really over 4000 miles with plane and shipping routes and related timings.So if its round with 4000 plus miles of flatness it's thousands of times larger then we're told which wouldnt work in any current cosmology theory= we live in a flat realm and the edges or end are very difficult to comprehend ; I suspect they only continue as long as God needs them before purposes of seperations of the heavens from firmament and indications from Greek Hellenism and Bible is after 7 or so heavens are accounted for there is the abyss seperation chaos area before the area of non area or outer darkness where nothingness exists; it seems only quite occasionally does creator God labor to create or write new creation into existence on this dark matter purely opposite his light energies by the gist of Genesis but perhaps it's from the opposing energies of dark matter nothingness and then chaos abyss realm of wandering dragons the size of continents that we derive what's known as the chaotic modern liberal Demoncrat; haha couldn't resist but actually only partly kidding as certainly the satanic elites at least are derived from this Godless optional source of "anti power"; dependent on God's creation to vamp on to exist at all..
proton magic is one of the nastiest trolls I’ve ever come across, online.
He messaged me privately to see if we could cross promote each other at one point. And then, after a few of his snippy comments, I decided he stunk like a troll so I blocked him.
And then he went on a rampage.
I’m not the only one to deal with this online asshole. He likes to saddle in and instigate and aggravate.
Yet never gives his real name.
Just another keyboard critic.
I never thought about the sun rays eating in a building.
Thanks for coming in with good reasoning and evidence, Proton. I don't get why these people seem to want to fall for the pancake Earth psyop
Nice to see you Charles. The strange confusing comments are on purpose to cause exactly that, confusion and discredit themselves and thus anyone with non-normie ideas.
They aren’t falling for anything. They’re shills paid to pretend they believe it.
https://substack.com/@seventhearchivist/note/c-204721862
Correct. Parallax's experiments are incorrect because the curvature is only noticeable at 40 miles or greater. Ships do not just get smaller with distance, they disappear hull first over a horizon. Then we have Magellan.....
Why the Earth is a spheroid: https://unstabbinated.substack.com/p/why-the-flat-earth-model-is-wrong?utm_source=publication-search
What a fkin dunce
Proton Magic … You have obviously no clue. Sun and moon move in a circular motion, not as you described. Put on your thinking hat and start again without any influence, just raw thinking. Of course our Earth is round, not a square as you imagine but not a ball (baal).
You have obviously no clue. Sun and moon move in a circular motion, not as you described. Put on your thinking hat and start again without any influence, just raw thinking.
You have obviously no clue. Sun and moon move in a circular motion, not as you described. Put on your thinking hat and start again without any influence, just raw thinking.
You have obviously no clue. Sun and moon move in a circular motion, not as you described. Put on your thinking hat and start again without any influence, just raw thinking.
No worries about the spam and berating, we know that is in the FE CIA PSYOP SOP when you're up against the ropes. Keep them coming to show who you really work for, Love it!
You can see the light of the setting sun on the bottom of the clouds. But what if the sun is descending over the edge of a flat (coin-shaped) earth? Wouldn't you still get the shadows climbing up the buildings? The flat earth model that you are referencing doesn't make much conceptual sense. What is driving the sun to go roving over the earth? It's sort of cheating not to use your opponent's best model.
"But what if the sun is descending over the edge of a flat (coin-shaped) earth? Wouldn't you still get the shadows climbing up the buildings?"
I did cover that in my comment
"👉a flat earth with the sun falling over the earth's edge or spinning flat earth would only have one sunset line at a position depending on the angle to the sun and last only as long as it takes for the sun to set. It would get dimmer as less of the sun was over the horizon then get dark and it would not go up the bldg."-the going up the bldg of which is exactly what we see on earth, ergo it is curved, and also round because the time to start moving up the bldg varies by latitude.
You will not find a single flat earther who says the sun goes below the earth. It seems to rotate (or orbit) in a roughly circular motion above the plane.
The sun's light can only project so far, like a giant flashlight. At some point, the light ceases to propagate, and you have darkness.
Also, it is clear the rakia, like the air itself, has optical properties. It's characteristics are not as understood (by us), but you can be sure "they" do. It bends light (and other RF frequencies), like a waveguide.
My comment said
"👉a flat earth with dimming non-setting sun (the Flat Earth model) wouldn't have a sunset line rise at all, the reflection on the building side facing the sun would just get dimmer." If you want to say gets dark lol, but there would still be no bright (or any) sunset line going up a building/tree etc, but there is. You guys' play game is just to dilute any rational talk. We know FE is a CIA etc PSYOP,
https://themillenniumreport.com/2017/11/fake-flat-earth-conspiracy-finally-outed-as-cia-psyop/
you guy's discussions have no real geometric meaning, you just want to sound nutty to discredit all conspiracies. Keep going my good man.
"30 miles would be over 600 feet of curve."
I am originally a civil engineer. 😊
The curvature is about 7.8cm/km = (30*1.609*7.8)/30.48=12.35 feet not 600 feet
Anyway, the dishes on microwave towers need to be in-line-of-sight. Here is from AI
<< The greatest reliably documented distance between two microwave towers for line-of-sight transmission exceeds 146 miles, achieved in a 2016 test by Exalt Wireless under near-ideal atmospheric conditions with minimal Earth curvature obstruction. Dishes on such long-haul links are typically mounted at heights of 100-200 feet (30-60 meters) above ground level on each tower to maximize the radio horizon, though exact sea-level elevations depend on site topography and aren't universally specified. >>
Your numbers above suggest that the microwave towers need to be each = (146*600)/(2*30)=1460 feet high!
Glad someone beat me to the punch calling out the miscalculation made in extrapolating total elevation change over several miles. Hopefully this was an oversight and will be corrected.
My pleasure. I am sure lots of other numerical types saw through it.
Shouldn't there also be a calculation for light, as it reacts, bends, etc. Long distances we aren't looking along a straight line, we are looking around a long and gentle corner.
Over long distances surveyors calculations took this into account
I don't believe the earth is flat. However your analysis here is incorrect.
If the earth curves 7.8cm over 1 km, it will curve significantly more than 2 * 7.8cm over 2 kms.
The angle between the surface and the tangent at the origin increases with distance - therefore the drop over each km is greater than the drop over the previous one.
You can see from this calculator (use 0.01 ft for the eye level) that the drop is indeed approximately 600'.
https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/earth-curvature
146 mile line of site for assumedly 5g beamforming rays quite narrow between cell towers arguably is greatest tech proof of flatish earth,certainly in top running!
Just because you are credentialed doesn't mean you are not wrong, or not retarded.
The truth is, from an elevation of 0 feet, there really is 600 feet of curvature (source https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/index.html and this calculator uses the correct formula, not the 8 inches per mile squared approximation).
Obviously, as altitude increases, the horizon distance also increases, but it doesn't change the math.
Did you mean to reply to me? I think we are making the same point in response to Alfred.
I agree with you. It is not a linear function. 😊
Except much higher, note it’s not linear per distance, after around 6220 miles, a quarter turn, the height would be infinite. For short distances < 500 miles, the close approximation (0.1%) is d^2/2R where d is the distance travelled and R is the radius of the earth which for 146 miles gives around (146^2/7920)*5280=14,211 feet
I’m not in either camp but, my question is: even with a telescope could you see from one tower to the other? Else it ain’t line of sight.
Perhaps some bouncing off the various atmospheric layers…
Bouncing is not required. All electromagnetic waves [EDIT - actually all waves - period] diffract, and they tend to follow the curvature of the earth owing to the density and humidity gradients in the air.
This is verifiably true - it is how lenses work for example, and why we get rainbows.
You can measure diffraction in high school physics experiments, although the equations for diffraction in a constantly varying medium are more complicated than the diffraction that occurs at the boundary between air and glass.
Thanks again Agent for a great article. And yes, I agree it's in bad taste to ridicule people who believe differently to us. Because maybe not so long ago, we were there too!
And agree, the real question is - why are we being lied to, to such a degree and about so many things? 🙏🏼
Yes, why? I believed the spinning globe earth myth for 70 years.
Like you, I refuse to argue about it but I hate being lied to. Since we've been to lied about pretty much everything since we came into existence, what makes people think that the earth can't be flat.
We are under a dome. Does that work on a Globe? And what about the lands beyond the ice walls? There are other beings here regardless if people believe it or not. Both malevolent and benevolent beings.
Antarctica being off limits should raise many questions. Nothing should be off limits.
After doing a lot of research myself, I am leaning towards flat earth now. To each his own what they choose to believe. I just don't base my beliefs on known liars, like NASA.
People should research the ones that have been beyond the ice wall. Including military members.
Yes NOTHING should be off limits, but currently about 1/3 of the known world IS off limits to us ordinary humans, not just antarctica. All of the coast of Australia that faces antarctica is off limits and protected by military. We're not allowed to roam freely at the north pole either. We are currently only allowed to see a fraction of the Grand Canyon and all flights paths are routed around the rest of it, plus no drones allowed. Not only are all flight paths under restrictions, but all ocean navigation routes are as well. The UNESCO World Heritage Sites scam is restricting large portions of our realm from any genuine research under the guise of "protecting" it from damage, and then programming us with a false story about it. The Agenda 2030 plan has what is left of humanity contained in 15 minute hellhole cities with the other 95% of Earth nothing but a playground for the El-ites, and things are now moving swiftly in that direction now with large swathes of land being claimed for "preservation" and border crossings becoming tighter and tighter..
Many of these newer restrictions are based on BS climate excuses, and we recently saw large areas of wilderness and "parkland" now off limits becos, you know, WE might start fires there, when we all know who the grand fire producers are.
Fire and water combined with frequencies have always been the favourite weapons of the El-ites. Speaking of which, here is one of the massive proliferation of AI generated Old World/Tartaria videos now up on youtube, all about the "great fires". Very well done.
The Day Tartaria Fell: How They Erased the Greatest Empire From History
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNjMXnr6R2s
Yes, I have been reading about that. Some people believe we lost a thousand years. Others believe that Tartaria was the Millennium Kingdom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0yaNGFGDJE
I totally agree. We are supposed to be free to go wherever we want unrestricted.
Yes, a full-cricle "dome" is possible.
Not necessarily. People consider a circle a globe. The earth can be a flat circle. There is water above and below. We can't possibly be spinning around, without or with a dome, lost in space. Any believers out there that still believes in the Globe are being deceived. You have no Creator in that case and are lost and separated from Source. The Globe model is to separate us, and churches teach that we are separated. No one is separated from God only by choice. The Globe is evolution. No Creator.
There are many lands beyond the ice wall that people have already gone and witnessed. We are not alone.
And the fact that all the numbers used for the Globe earth have 6's in them. Not a coincidence.
I took the nearly 300 FE Bible proof-texts to the Bible & read each and every one of them within their context. My heart & mind were open to Jesus handing me any knowledge.
My journey led to FE is a psyop.
PS: I'm in a relationship with Jesus Christ. A Christian. Assuming I'm not a believer in God because I believe in the globe is a falsehood.
The falsehood is the Globe earth indoctrination. No one went to the moon, and the sun is not millions of miles away. The earth is a clock. The UN has the flat earth map. And the photos, images, etc, that NASA shows have been proven that they are not real photos or images. Gravity doesn't exist. Another lie. The lies began exactly when human beings came into existence. Our whole life is built on a lie. Even the Bible was tampered with. So that takes a much deeper dig to get the correct translations. If Genesis is not fully understood, then the rest of the Bible makes no sense. The God in the OT is not our Creator. Jesus, in no way, shares the same characteristics as the God in the OT. If God is Love yet vengeful, that's not Love. If God is a jealous God, that's not Love. If God murders his own children instead of punishing them, that's not Love. If he is unmerciful and unforgiving, that goes against who he is supposed to be. It goes against the definition of love which is not a feeling. It's a verb. It's action.
You made false assumptions about me based on only the fact that I believe Earth is a globe, then deny you made them? That's the kind of intellectual dishonesty that tells me this is a waste of time.
It's because you don't understand that the Globe model was taught with nefarious purposes. It was to disconnect us from our Creator. People still believe in evolution. Which is a lie. We didn't evolve from a big bang. That's ridiculous to even think that. But the Globe model is tied into this.
I have done extensive reading for a long time. We can't just read or watch bits and pieces. There are books from centuries ago.
We can't even call anyone a liar. We must understand all of it, both sides, then base our beliefs on that using discernment. Flat Earth has a lot more proof than the Globe model. Just the fact that a plane flys level with the ground, it doesn’t take a nose dive. It would have to dip down over a curve in order to land at its destination. Or else it would be flying straight out into nowhere. Water is always level. It absolutely does not curve around a ball. Gravity is not holding the water. And the ball spinning as fast as they claim it would fly off. We would also feel it.
They keeping people away from the ice wall for a reason. That is nefarious in itself. We have the freedom to go anywhere on earth even if it is dangerous. At our risk, but free to do so. Our Creator gave us all the land with no restrictions.
Yes it's total cognitive dissonance. If we were really spinning at 66,666 mph hanging onto a globe that is also spinning 66,666 around a sun, we would not be able to stand up! We would be flattened and ripped off into "space" in a split second. Yet we can go outside and stand with our feet grounded on Earth with not a hair on our heads moving........ We were given 5 senses in this game, yet people refuse to believe what they are telling them.......
The earth is a wobbly coin. I knew it.
Interesting how Disney and other cartoons were the biggest imagineers and promoters of space travel. Von Braun and Walt were friends and collaborated on some films about future space travel in the early 60s.
It wouldn't be surprising if the "Blue Marble" image of globe Earth supposedly taken in 1972 during Apollo 17 had been a Disney collaboration or complete fabrication in that same year the UN established World Environment Day. It certainly worked as propaganda, because, since then, the first and often only image of Earth that comes to mind for most people is Blue Marble.
My guess has been this realm is some sort of toroidal battery, who knows, but we can all be 100% certain that NASA and oligarch rocketeers are not showing us anything real from up above or from their CGI animator-simulators.
Am still thinking NASA is actually the National Apocalypse Subterranean Agency...
Lol!
It could also be the case that the earth is much larger than we are told. With the correction from Alfred above, the slope of this curvature would be ever so slight.
This is the most likely explanation imo. We can look out and see that no other planet or object is "flat", and if so, whats on the other side?
I'm also starting to believe this. As above, so below in our fractal universe.
Tails?
There are no "planets" except in sci-fi comics.
In looking at ISS, NASA, SpaceX photos and videos and doing some maths, you could argue that the Earth's circumference is 40.000 miles, not 24.900. This does not mean I believe that the aforementioned are honest or that we have gone to the moon. But using their own data you could well be correct.
And that is using their own data. Lol. I'm leaning towards larger than that, if you believe the likes of Devils Tower/ mesas are really billions-year-old tree stumps, which I do. There are also theories out there that the earth is a remnant of a much larger, much older planet that was destroyed. Hopefully someday we will uncover the truth.
Interesting, I am in the opposite direction re time - thousands not millions, billions, or Darwinian years. Cycles run down, including the magentic sphere and all energy sources. DNA as well or if people don't believe in that, your operating system which decays every generation.
My operating system most certainly does not decay. I have noticed substantial improvements as I have aged. Like a fine wine even if I say so myself!
Good to hear it. Some of us move forward into the old shoe category :)
I thought mesas were ancient volcanos
They claim that they are formed from erosion of the less hard rock and earth around them , rather than volcanoes.
Thank you ! When I was out west in New Mexico and Arizona I thought to myself...those look like old giant volcanoes lol but tree stumps too
I don't believe this is true. The earth cannot be much larger than we are told because people do travel around it. Whether it's flat or a globe, the distance around the equator is the distance around the equator. And therefore - if it is a globe (as I believe) - then the circumference is known, and it is what we are told.
Every single photo, picture, or video from "space" is fake, either CGI or shot in a studio. That includes satellites, rockets, Mars, astronauts, the "planet" earth, the ISS, the CSS, lunar "probes", and every other piece of sci-fi nonsense they have come up with. If they are lying about one thing, say the Apollo 11 moon landing (notice the freemasonic "11"), they are lying about everything.
Why do you leave out the lunar eclipse? The moon in general? If the earth would be flat, you would not be able to see the curvature of the earth casting a shadow on the moon, as you would have to stand at the edge.
However, I like satire a lot.
How do you know it's the earth? Spatially, it CANNOT be the earth, because the shadow is not oriented properly.
Also, you have obviously not heard of a selenium. A lunar eclipse where the sun and moon are both above the horizon. These are not so uncommon. Whoops. Retard.
I got the spelling wrong.
Selenelion.
The go-to answer for how it happens is "refraction" (the last refuge of globe retards).
https://substack.com/@seventhearchivist/note/c-204721862
Shove your psychological projection to where it belongs. It is people like you who ruin it for everybody. You did not only get the spelling wrong.
Nonsense....
Sun "rises" in the east.
Moon also in the east, yet the Moons Waning crecent is oriented down, and moon is low near the horizon.
Moon is away from earth. No way the earth "casts a shadow" on the moon. Not physically possible.
As if you would know what is "physically possible". Instead, you spout nonsense you picked up from someone else. Simple observation will solve the "riddle".
There is no evidence whatsoever that anything called "space" exists beyond the upper reaches of the atmosphere. NASA has not been to "space", nor has any Russian, Chinese, or Katy Perry:).
I dunno,Katy is incredibly spacey!
NASA is one of the top money-laundering entities on earth, along with the CIA and virtually all govts, the US in particular. Yet they keep telling us all this new digital/biometric ID trap crap is to stop US dangerous folks from washing our own money, and protect us from others who are doing it!!! What a joke!
I appreciate your posts very much. :-)
Here’s the best part about what you said, and it’s where I am today: “ Let me start this article by stating that I don’t give a flying flip what shape the earth is; what I do greatly care about is being lied to. What I further care about is our hard-earned money being invested in the perpetual perpetration of lies.”
OF COURSE THE EARTH IS FLAT! WE MEASURE IT THAT WAY.
The true aspects of the Earth's surface are revealed in how we measure them.
The shortest flat earth proof list:
1. All geometric measurements OF the earth and FROM the surface of the earth are made with respect to a horizontal plane of reference. (For example, sea level.)
2. There are no exceptions to this fact. (See #1)
3. We measure the earth as a horizontal plane (flat) because the earth is a horizontal, topographical plane. (See #1)
The only way to invalidate this fact is to provide one measurement of any aspect of the surface of Earth that does NOT require or rely on a horizontal plane of reference.
Horizontal planes of reference include: The horizon and sea level. Any references to tools like a spirit level, a compass, a sextant, or a plumb line are axiomatically tied to a level, horizontal reference plane. All verticals, like a plumb line, are axiomatically tied to horizontal. You can't have a 90° perpendicular vertical line unless it is 90° perpendicular to a horizontal line or plane.
"Flat" does not mean the earth is without texture and topography. The Earth is best described as a horizontal, topographical plane. We know this for certain because we measure all elevations, altitudes, linear distances, and angles with respect to a horizontal plane of reference, like sea level.
Sea Level is Level
The Horizon is Horizontal
Eye Level is Level
(All horizontals are parallel with each other.)
Up/Vertical is 90° perpendicular to Horizontal
The 6-mile observation measurement at the Bedford Level is a linear, straight, level, flat distance measurement.
The 200+ mile distance measurement to the mountain range in the long-distance photograph is a linear measurement.
All measurements of and from the surface of earth are flat-earth measurements.
That's right:)
Yup. I'm actually embarrassed to say that it has taken over half my lifetime to realize that axioms and Natural Laws are true no matter what we BELIEVE is true based on what we are taught, told, and tested on.
The surface of the earth can be described as a vast topographical plane because that's how we measure it, map and chart it, fly over it, build on it, observe and experience it. The earth is a horizontal plane because that's how we measure it; with respect to level, horizontal, and vertals 90° perpendicular to the horizontal surface.
Always have, always will, because there's truth in measurements. We measure the earth flat.
We know that the world we live in has been made into a 'theater".
We know that the theater effects our perception of the world if we believe the theater to be the real world.
We were all here on the internet before 'flat earth" was all over social media (not saying flat earth came into being then obviously people use to believe the earth was flat) being told about NASA's lies and the fake moon landings, the undead astronauts that were said to have died, the occult rituals of Jack Parsons, Hubbard and Crowley, Werner Von Braun and his paper clip career, tombstone inscription "the heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth His handiwork" we all recall the information Dr. Rosa Koire stated Werner shared with her about the 'cards' and the 'final card' being the fake alien invasion.
We now, and over the last 5-10 years have been seeing artifact after artifact in our skies and upper atmosphere, we know they have launched synthetic suns and moons while occulting our organic Sun and Moon, we have so called "space craft" we have drones, we have space X - we have the building of a STAGE using the entire realm we call the world to eventually give us a performance of a life time.
We have flat earthers telling us that the sun and moon are within the firmament like the Bible says, but what if these are the synthetics suns and moons to set the stage for final performance? What if these suns and moons, which we do SEE inside the firmament, so much closer than they use to be are the fake ones?
We KNOW that we are always being lied to, always staged events, I have one that I know IS slated for performance: It connects perfectly with agenda 2030 for sustainable development and the fake alien invasion: they will tell us that earth is no longer habitable, they will of course be lying and they will of course have a solution: they will use the Anti Gravity disc shaped craft that they got from the fake aliens (the aliens might be here to assist humanity in their time of need, be introduced based on this crisis) and they will tell us all that they will take us all on the craft to live off world. Those who go will die. I was shown this event by an angel, I know angels are messengers and this was the message I was given "many will be deceived, do not board any craft to go off planet if any do they will all die, this must come to pass" it will be grievous.
So, I wonder... Flat earth, fake suns and moons and other artificial satellites, Werner's statement + headstone, psyops everywhere, fake alien invasion, destroying our planet (nature) on purpose every day, blocking our organic Sun and Moon (deadly to all living things) agenda 2030 for sustainable development - they'll claim with all their efforts that the earth is STILL not sustainable for life (because with every SDG attained they continue their aerial assaults and they jabbings)
Get ready people & remember ALL The world IS a Stage - while the real world that our Creator made for us lays silently underneath their perpetual entertainment!
I don't share my angel accounts lightly, what I was told will come to pass, so please think twice before being saved!
Thank you for your angel account and warning. Please keep sharing such knowing!
When you wrote, "We know that the world we live in has been made into a 'theater'.
We know that the theater effects our perception of the world if we believe the theater to be the real world," the Globe Theater in London where Shakespeare was staged immediately came to mind:
"All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts..."
So here we have the Globe theater so named for the fashionable new belief in Ball Earth, and actor Shakespeare, likely played and written by polymath Francis Bacon, who also is thought to have played other parts, as well. Supposedly, Bacon's muse was Athena whose signature move was to shake a spear.
Ahh nice connection with the Globe theatre!
I bought the book "secret teachings of all ages" by manly p hall 30 years ago wherein he includes a image of Shakespeare with a tracing paper image of Francis Bacon that becomes superimposed over the other revealing the extreme if not exact image between the two characters. Striking. Also is claimed to be St. Germaine.
Agent wrote an excellent article a while ago about the many fake suns now in operation, and there are many sightings now of more than one sun, plus mythology about various red suns and black suns. You are correct, they are part of the stage props. And the "rapture" the christians are waiting for? Load 'em onto the "ships" and take 'em away, maybe to Mars where they can keep company with El-on. As David Icke says, underneath all the layers and layers of illusion, the Prime Earth is still there. Looking forward to getting back to it.
Yes, precisely! Every year that goes by and each new player on the stage continue to affirm what the angel shared. Elon and mars, Christians awaiting the rapture... all fit the bill and then some. Best your way.
The rapture many Christians claim is not Biblical and a lot of it is from false teachers and movies.
Like many, I came into this subject as a scoffed and intended to refute it. I was pissed finding out some friends advocated it. I ran up the "Skull and Crossbones". I started digging, and digging and digging. I finally thought to myself "Houston we have a problem". Not too long later (about 6 mos total), I could not refute any of it and ran up the white flag. Keep up the good work.
it's usually the opposite of what the establishment wants us to think. It is not a spinning, wobbling, warp speed ball....water lays level