I have to be brief because I'm attending a memorial this morning (lots of those lately so I have to choose which ones). I don't feel like the case has been made here for the issues with the smart meters themselves.
Of course there are different models used in different locales, and they could have different "features", but I've looked int…
I have to be brief because I'm attending a memorial this morning (lots of those lately so I have to choose which ones). I don't feel like the case has been made here for the issues with the smart meters themselves.
Of course there are different models used in different locales, and they could have different "features", but I've looked into the basic design (I have two through the wall from my bedroom, with foil shields inside) and what I know doesn't match up with what is claimed in the videos.
The speaker in the first video didn't seem to understand very well what she was talking about. I don't expect full technical details, but this sounded kind of like word salad. I could pick out what she was saying, though.
The 2nd video offered no evidence, which is a red flag for me. That's how the "authorities" operate, avoid substance, promote fear. I didn't have time to go through all the videos.
Smart meters communicate using mesh networks and yes, there have to be uplinks at certain points in the networks with which to retrieve the data. I've only had the opportunity to observe my own two meters, and I've never been able to detect their RF signals with the equipment I have.
The amount of activity would depend upon the amount of data exchange with other meters, and I would expect it to be much higher than claimed by the local utility, because they lie by drawing attention to one thing while distracting from another. The board of that utility also called those of us concerned about such things "tin foil hats". It's rather obvious from that who is paying/controlling them.
Still, I just don't see much energy coming out of our meters. It's nothing compared to what I see coming out of smart phones. With that, the shielding, and distance (inverse square law), I'm not particularly concerned about sleeping in that room.
Smart meters collect and transmit power consumption data that can then be mined to produce a custom energy profile of each household. Electric and gas appliances have potentially distinct individual profiles that can be isolated or approximated even though they are aggregated by the time they reach the meter. Thus the appliances themselves can potentially be identified, and from there the activities of the people within the house can be surmised. No RFID required.
This doesn't have to be accurate, if the information is ultimately to be used against you. If you are falsely accused, who cares. You don't get a say in this.
Other smart Internet-connected devices can improve data resolution, completeness, and accuracy. Principle culprits are thermostats and alarm systems. Other candidates are garage door openers, refrigerators, and yes, coffee makers.
I can't say much about smart meter "bombs". There's a lot of energy passing through electric meters, and it has considerable destructive potential. I'm not sure what the concern about surge protectors is. We have our own, separate from the meter itself but connected to it on the load side, which also serves as an EMI filter to deal with the noise coming in from the other houses in the neighborhood.
OK, well, that all I have time for. Do be careful with your reporting. If you misunderstand one essential issue and then build a narrative upon it, the result can prove to be very far afield. As you noted here.
re: "surge protectors... We have our own, separate from the meter itself but connected to it on the load side, which also serves as an EMI filter to deal with the noise coming in from the other houses in the neighborhood."
Sounds ideal, when it is convenient for you, would you post what brand, model and where you bought it, sincere question
My housemate was having very strange things going on in her dreams at night while sleeping, prompting me to check for EM fields in the bedrooms. I found a strong one surrounding the head of her bed. We hired a local consultant that confirmed that and other problems and brought in an electrician that he was working with. Together they found two incorrectly wired circuits where the neutral did not return through the same cable as the hot lead.
They corrected those problems and then we had them install a Satic surge/dirty electricity suppressor and a sleep switch that turns off most power to the bedroom area (except for two dedicated heater outlets that we had installed later, one in each bedroom). Here is the Satic information we were given for ordering:
And by the way, the frequently-recurring bad dreams stopped. I've had a few of those myself, and we learned from the consultant that the ground wire from the service entrance to the water main connection runs directly under my bed, carrying a rather heavy ground current at times, depending on what's going on in the neighborhood.
We're in the process right now of installing ground rods on that end of the house, which will eliminate the ground wire under my bed . The electricians (two of them) are having to deal with hardpan, but they have one rod down and a second going in this week. I'm so glad I work with software.
I would say it would require a "licensed electrician or equivalent". If you did it wrong and burnt down, I don't know, but insurance might not pay out. And then there's the county inspection (here, anyway). We hired the electrician that the consultant normally works with. We had issues with billing and such at that company, although not with the work itself, and we have another excellent electrician now that has his own business and does both commercial and residential work.
I've made small changes in sub-panels at (as usual) a former church (I have quite a collection of those), along with other simple wiring work, making sure it was to code by looking it up, but I wouldn't have touched anything like this. I'm older now, and I avoid working with line voltage or higher, let alone heavy panel faceplates that I can barely lift. I probably should have made that switch long ago.
But for some homeowners with the right experience, DIY could be an option.
That should give you an idea of the potential for spying on people using smart utility meters.
I had forgotten about the water meter. Our is a smart meter too, located out at the street and far from our bedrooms, thankfully. These were installed when the water main was replaced back in 2017. The old one was rusting out. This part of the neighborhood was built in 1954. Built mostly without sidewalks because cars were in and walking was out.
I have to be brief because I'm attending a memorial this morning (lots of those lately so I have to choose which ones). I don't feel like the case has been made here for the issues with the smart meters themselves.
Of course there are different models used in different locales, and they could have different "features", but I've looked into the basic design (I have two through the wall from my bedroom, with foil shields inside) and what I know doesn't match up with what is claimed in the videos.
The speaker in the first video didn't seem to understand very well what she was talking about. I don't expect full technical details, but this sounded kind of like word salad. I could pick out what she was saying, though.
The 2nd video offered no evidence, which is a red flag for me. That's how the "authorities" operate, avoid substance, promote fear. I didn't have time to go through all the videos.
Smart meters communicate using mesh networks and yes, there have to be uplinks at certain points in the networks with which to retrieve the data. I've only had the opportunity to observe my own two meters, and I've never been able to detect their RF signals with the equipment I have.
The amount of activity would depend upon the amount of data exchange with other meters, and I would expect it to be much higher than claimed by the local utility, because they lie by drawing attention to one thing while distracting from another. The board of that utility also called those of us concerned about such things "tin foil hats". It's rather obvious from that who is paying/controlling them.
Still, I just don't see much energy coming out of our meters. It's nothing compared to what I see coming out of smart phones. With that, the shielding, and distance (inverse square law), I'm not particularly concerned about sleeping in that room.
Smart meters collect and transmit power consumption data that can then be mined to produce a custom energy profile of each household. Electric and gas appliances have potentially distinct individual profiles that can be isolated or approximated even though they are aggregated by the time they reach the meter. Thus the appliances themselves can potentially be identified, and from there the activities of the people within the house can be surmised. No RFID required.
This doesn't have to be accurate, if the information is ultimately to be used against you. If you are falsely accused, who cares. You don't get a say in this.
Other smart Internet-connected devices can improve data resolution, completeness, and accuracy. Principle culprits are thermostats and alarm systems. Other candidates are garage door openers, refrigerators, and yes, coffee makers.
I can't say much about smart meter "bombs". There's a lot of energy passing through electric meters, and it has considerable destructive potential. I'm not sure what the concern about surge protectors is. We have our own, separate from the meter itself but connected to it on the load side, which also serves as an EMI filter to deal with the noise coming in from the other houses in the neighborhood.
OK, well, that all I have time for. Do be careful with your reporting. If you misunderstand one essential issue and then build a narrative upon it, the result can prove to be very far afield. As you noted here.
re: "surge protectors... We have our own, separate from the meter itself but connected to it on the load side, which also serves as an EMI filter to deal with the noise coming in from the other houses in the neighborhood."
Sounds ideal, when it is convenient for you, would you post what brand, model and where you bought it, sincere question
My housemate was having very strange things going on in her dreams at night while sleeping, prompting me to check for EM fields in the bedrooms. I found a strong one surrounding the head of her bed. We hired a local consultant that confirmed that and other problems and brought in an electrician that he was working with. Together they found two incorrectly wired circuits where the neutral did not return through the same cable as the hot lead.
They corrected those problems and then we had them install a Satic surge/dirty electricity suppressor and a sleep switch that turns off most power to the bedroom area (except for two dedicated heater outlets that we had installed later, one in each bedroom). Here is the Satic information we were given for ordering:
Satic Power Perfect Box Heavy Duty: PPBHD
Cost is $1595 [in 2020]
https://www.saticusa.com
[Contact info is on the website]
And by the way, the frequently-recurring bad dreams stopped. I've had a few of those myself, and we learned from the consultant that the ground wire from the service entrance to the water main connection runs directly under my bed, carrying a rather heavy ground current at times, depending on what's going on in the neighborhood.
We're in the process right now of installing ground rods on that end of the house, which will eliminate the ground wire under my bed . The electricians (two of them) are having to deal with hardpan, but they have one rod down and a second going in this week. I'm so glad I work with software.
Thank you for such a detailed and helpful reply, I do need to ask, would it require an electrician to install this system? Thank you again!
I would say it would require a "licensed electrician or equivalent". If you did it wrong and burnt down, I don't know, but insurance might not pay out. And then there's the county inspection (here, anyway). We hired the electrician that the consultant normally works with. We had issues with billing and such at that company, although not with the work itself, and we have another excellent electrician now that has his own business and does both commercial and residential work.
I've made small changes in sub-panels at (as usual) a former church (I have quite a collection of those), along with other simple wiring work, making sure it was to code by looking it up, but I wouldn't have touched anything like this. I'm older now, and I avoid working with line voltage or higher, let alone heavy panel faceplates that I can barely lift. I probably should have made that switch long ago.
But for some homeowners with the right experience, DIY could be an option.
Thank you again, a licensed electrician it is!
They installed a smart meter on my water line too and if you have a drip they harass you for a few months after you fix the he problem.
That should give you an idea of the potential for spying on people using smart utility meters.
I had forgotten about the water meter. Our is a smart meter too, located out at the street and far from our bedrooms, thankfully. These were installed when the water main was replaced back in 2017. The old one was rusting out. This part of the neighborhood was built in 1954. Built mostly without sidewalks because cars were in and walking was out.