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Dennis O'Neill's avatar

I've never been a viruses don't exist nutter even though I've been fairly aware of the scams of Jonus Salk, and panic peddling of flu, and other diseases but not to the extent Agent lays them out in this post. Agent's hilariously well written posts might turn me into a true believer.

The problem I have with the viruses don't exist believers is the same one I have with the flat earthers. There are aspects of virology, and earth as a globe that explain aspects of reality that none of the viruses don't exist folks or the flat earthers can explain at all, and often times they can't even offer a decent hypothesis, let alone compelling evidence to support one.

Chicken pox, and shingles manifest with different symptoms, typically early, then much later, in life, respectively, and both respond to the same antiviral drug. Virology, and the mechanisms of action of antiviral drugs explain things that nothing else convincingly explains. The precession of a globe earth explains the change of seasons, and why it's warmer at the equator than at either pole of the globe earth. Flat earthers fall flat trying to explain the seasons, and much else.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Dennis, if I may, I’ve written on both virus’s and flat earth. While yes, there are aspects of these mainstream belief that appear to be true, the overall narrative of a virus or round earth simply don’t hold up: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/lies-not-discussed-within-the-truth

Here’s another article that focuses on how our level earth may actually appear round: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/why-the-flat-appears-round

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Farmer Pete's avatar

An Affirming the Consequent Fallacy happens when someone incorrectly assumes that if an outcome is a true statement, then a specific cause must also be true. The ground is wet so it must have rained last night. But it could be someone watered the lawn or washed their car.

A disease classification groups a (loose) set of symptoms (effect). Therefore, the presumed cause must be true.

A company made a drug that sometimes has an effect on the symptoms (an effect on the effect). Therefore the presumed cause of the initial effect must be true. Further down the circular reasoning fallacy trail we go...

The germ HYPOTHESIS has been demonstrably DISproven... so, rather than just properly discarding it we say:

1) It is the "best" i've seen, so it must be true.

2) Nobody is has replaced it with something I conclude to be better, so it still must be true. (and I reverse the burden of proof rather than address that I don't have any direct evidence for my positive claim).

The only way to find a "virus" is to find it in nature, isolate it as an independent variable, and reintroduce it through natural exposure methods to see if it does what you hypothesize it does. Nobody has done that.... ever. End of story.

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Greg's's avatar

That's only relevant to their deception on need for vaccines for natural viruses they fabricated..story remains with synthetic natural virus imitators they've had entire modern era back to 1905 at least and all we've ever known ie the public communities taking them. So their evil liars viruses of synthetic variety have been created and iz now the accepted term,the word spelling or background history correctness is the lesser of issues here as public will not stop using term due to corruptions in its background and trying to shame them for their ignorance of history only dooms to divide us more...

Best solution is to incorporate synthetic viruses into discussion noting evidence of their lab creations using toxins, poisons, parasites,fungus etc since beginnings 1900s and gradually get them to consider synthetics are majority of viruses and then whoops looks like all and bring us together to fight worst of vaxxs side effects etc..Don't be do pushy on the semantics to divide,there's a better way: viruses exist as lab creations only by synthetic definition only which is also in dictionary along with natural the whole time ..ie lab made virus concoctions dang it! Legit,legal med.term decades..Being more right on technical issue not as important as winning anyway and your not all right here ..ie stopping them from killing us so much by increasing agreements on diseases and related meds way more relevant then correct terminology..VIRUS TERM HERE TO STAY NEXT 20 YEARS+ AND YOU KNOW IT WITH THE 98 PERCENT,USE IT CLEVERLY SAVE LIVES= SYNTHETIC LAB VIRUSES MEET THAT LONG DEFINITION.. OH AND UH..THATS JUST VIRUSES FOR SHORT FAMILY..HAVE A NICE DAY AND HERES A LOLLIPOP SON!..ETC, ETC PROBLEM LARGELY SOLVED INSTEAD OF: YOUR IGNORANT VIRUSES DONT EXIST..

ALSO LAB SYNTHETIC VIRUSES CAN BE DESIGNED TO SHED OR BE CONTAGIOUS TO VARYING DEGREES EVEN IF FAILS NATURAL IMMUNITY GAIN BY EXPOSURE CLAIMS...

EVIDENCE ALSO EXISTS LAB VIRUSES DESIGNED USING VENOMS WHERE A TOLERANCE IS GAINED AFTER ONE EXPOSURE ARTIFICIALLY MIMICKING IMMUNITY GAIN

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Farmer Pete's avatar

Greg, I'm sorry but I get completely lost in your long comments and can't bring myself to get a grasp on your central point.

I guess my question would be, if they can't prove a "virus" found in nature (and have not), then how can whatever they are concocting in the lab be a "copy" or "version" or "imitator" of something that never existed AS THEY DEFINE IT in the first place? Words matter and why should I/we use their misleading language that perpetuates the Rockefeller Germ Nutter paradigm?

Of course, they are always making toxic shit in labs. Then they put it in the 'medicine', the food, the water, the shampoo, etc, etc... and pass it back to the herd. No virus necessary.

If you have direct evidence that they have made a synthetic "virus" that is a replicant competent pathogen spreading from person to person by 'contagion', then let's have a look at it. Most people still believe the story that so many dis-ease classifications (symptom packaging) are caused by flying demon particles... it's not a good thing to keep clinging to pseudoscientific superstition.

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Greg's's avatar

Truth has great value,but a great truth is also that none of us represent it and correlating perfect virtues perfectly nor frankly has anyone seriously come close by core ability or intent spare Jesus Christ and our Creator.Therefore pushing for perfection in language terns and words fraught with corruptions to degrees including in medicine is not the higher ground regardless of if players as dark as Rockefeller is involved.

In fact the English language is laced full of witchcraft power words that even speaking reek of a degree of evil not just too a perfectly good God but even to just buy above avg discernment ie the word spell for example..in your face..

The TRUTHER movement will lose its greater value if it puts perfect truth therefore ahead of a realistic level of truth the greater community can process realistically and apply given our current positions in mass layered deceptions

If this take sounds reasonablly mostly true and reasonable to you then applied to virus issue the greatest increase in applicable to masses truth is the parameters we as TRUTHERS should be gifting the non TRUTHER ie all humanity community as an adjustment they should be striving for.

Brings up the question immediately what is the most common interpretation of the word virus to the avg citizen? I'd say it's approximately a contagious illness that's either seasonal or not with natural roots in other animals shifting to human with a mostly accepted media and science push that lab created viruses are now called virus es and not always differentiated and that status has existed too a majority of populace extent for 15-30 years+,enough time to solidify it as an agreed cultural terminology,warts and all and merely correcting natural viruses never met contagion or existence protocol that scientist once set is way too late and irrelevant too synthetic viruses meeting definition largely if imperfectly as a toxin,mold,poison,etc combined to transfer better then say an avg poison etc can transfer.

Common sense and examples of mold spores and poisons spread by liquid dispersal aerosolized or venereal diseases body contact etc automatically in your face, obviously show contagion/transferability even again if not matching natural virus stages of function protocol a few scientists thought up (likely they worked for Rockefeller types and it was always lab concoctions in play designed to mimic non existent natural viruses to push a otherwise unnecessary vaccine program with eugenics/pop control intents ).

What's equally suspect is those 4 or do studies rehashed much showing never a tad of transferability/contagion with allegedly virus infected people..If it was a toxin,mold,poison stew at least a small % subjects would definitely show transferring microparticles effecting AS THESE ARE AMONG MOST POWERFUL TOXIC COMBOS EVER PUT TOGETHER,IF COURSE THEYD HAVE SOME EFFECT ESPECIALLY WITH ONES THAT KISSED,HAD SEX..

FACT THAT NONE GOT SICK after exposure to lab stews variants they called viruses guarantees logically the staged the study's and these subjects were not Ill from lab witches brews(viruses they called them, synthetic variety!,still do,regardless of terminologys spotty history.

Why would they fake studies?Cuz if symptoms transferred it would require more studies galore to pinpoint specific means and chemicals related with solid beginnings I'm guessing and if they used truly poisoned people doing transferrings they'd be more likely to get caught faking lab viruses as done might die and in the dark compartmentalized testers potentially might blow whistle on while operation if they put things together too much.

Solution must have been to weather a minority of bad press w failed studies,still largely working today with media and hospital,pharma control.

Back to main point I just solidified more.Public is already responding to artificial, synthetic version of viruses that have contagious or more accurately transferability of symptoms abilities. All truthers have to do is inform public that fraud exists with natural version of virus and all versions were synthetic,1) salvaging virus term which they'd never ever give up in reasonable time( ie a decade or two),2)waking them up to pharma being evil and poisoning for profits,agendas for a century, and 3)The existence of labs yearly creating synthetic viruses,including flu and preying on them for draconian societal controls..leading to awareness of other controlled and perhaps a change with awareness ... Or awarenesses will cause a crackdown and make things worse...TRUTHERS feel we must try for BETTER and stop going to bed with our enemies,and ruining our body's and our souls,even if we die trying,God will see our efforts to separate from evil and take us to a heavenly home is also the Christians take on it all here ya know!?

In short screw the political,medical correctnesd on this one especially,STOP PUSHING THE NO VIRUSES EXIST CHANT AND REPLACE WITH ONLY SYNTHETIC VIRUSES EXIST FROM THE START,AND YES THERES EVIDENCE THEYVE ACHIEVED TRANSFERABILITY,JUST NOT AS DEPENDABLY AS THEY CLAIMED...USING NANO PARTICLES OF VARIOUS TYPES including graphene and lipids most currently many TRUTHERS ACCEPT as succeeding in shedding type transmission(CONTAGION,DARN IT!) which was always the only type of transmission there ever was...HELLO!? CAN YOU SEE IT NOW..?MAYBE,JUST A LITTLE CHANCE IM RIGHT, CRACK THAT DOIOR OPEN,TON OF TRUTH BEHIND IT!!

The pharmaceutical shills either noticed you TRUTHERS were chanting the No virus exist thing and plotted to use it or they amped it by broader design from start and planted a ton extra No Viruses exist videos,blurbs everywhere in 2020/21 and I knew it was disbaoanced from relevancy from the start and couldn't make sense of it for a bit

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Farmer Pete's avatar

Let me make this simple...your cavernous word salads require a warm compress on my forehead.

1) Not "viruses don't exist". "Virus" as defined by "science", never found and proven in nature... which makes it kinda hard to demonstrate "it" does anything (they claim it to do) by modes of natural human to human transmission. So it is "no proof of virus"....and subsequently "voluminous catalog of demonstrably failed contagion experiments". I don't say unicorns don't exist and nor can I prove it.

ergo

2) Whatever you are making in a lab cannot be an imitator of an imaginary construct. You can certainly make plenty of chemical poisons.

3) If you have evidence of a synthetic flu "virus" (or any other) being made, introduced, and then flying around from human to human when they breathe, hug, kiss, or fornicate, please show it to me. I want to see it....otherwise I will continue to focus on the known ways they already attempt to poison us through historically proven and successful methods.

I have no reason to use the term "synthetic virus". It's just more germ nutter language.

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Greg's's avatar

What do you think of Dr Ardis attempt to prove Covid was involving 19 synthetic snake venoms and other lab chemicals combined that had some shedding abilities helped by nicotine?!

Regardless we need to seek antidotes or remedies for their toxic lab wepns ..I'm ok not using virus term if public can be taught fast bad actors are spreading lab concoctions to further a vaccine agenda,etc.. I don't think they'll relinquish term regardless of term politics on issue,so more lives saved using synthetic virus term as we don't want to steer public from getting best anti lab concoctions remedies period and that's what this issue is supposed to be about ,leading people sway from fraudulent virus seasonal merry-go-round and other lie virus vaccines to true antidotes if a poison or remedies if a lab combo stew.. Are you more ok with that take on issue?

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Portraits in Fitness's avatar

Exactly.

Wasn’t JK Couey trying to make the case that viruses don’t exist in nature, but synthetic ones do?

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Charles's avatar

Globe-earther here

The virus doesn’t exist concept is kind of complex and has a lot of baggage from assumptions and previous indoctrination

I think the best way to demonstrate why viruses don’t exist is to define it and look at how the science(tm) reached that conclusion. I can walk you through the steps and you will see that they have not observed what they say they observed. It’s all smoke and mirrors

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Charles's avatar

Also, contagion is a myth. We have dozens of challenge trials where animals or humans that were sick were used to try to spread their disease, and all of them failed. Yes that’s true. No symptoms have been transmitted from sick host to healthy host successfully in well-controlled trials

We have a pretty long list, and I can get it for you if you’re interested

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sam van's avatar

Can you please do your write up on both viruses and contagion, and when you post it, please message me. I would like more inputs, since I want to start going out to give lectures to groups on these subjects.

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SA's avatar

https://old.bitchute.com/video/jIvItBEgNFtt/

Resources here. Link provided at the end of the presentation with more info.

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Charles's avatar

Sure, I’ll put something together on Tuesday or Wednesday

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Crixcyon's avatar

I think the earth is pyramid shaped and all us underlings are underneath hanging on for dear life. Gates, musk and faucie sit at the pointed top.

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Epistemology of Natural Order's avatar

Using toxins to stop symptoms is a very old trick. For centuries mercury was revered as a "universal medicine" because of its symptom-stopping power. Of course it's one of the most toxic substances in the natural world. So there's nothing to explain here other than how they slapped the "antiviral" label on a drug that stops a pox.

Once you realize that no virologist even claims to be able to view any "virus" in nature, not even using an electron microscope, you may be a lot more skeptical.

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Esme N's avatar

Why would anyone take an antiviral?

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Pete Ross's avatar

"both respond to the same antiviral drug"

Yep, there are some mysteries that still need to be resolved in the realm of what is known as the 'translational medicine' steps of obtaining a successful outcome from screening hundreds of cytotoxic compounds in vitro: eventually one or more of them is gonna be relatively safe to use to treat the target condition. Which suggests that the 'virus' model is especially useful for eliminating from use compounds that are not eligible for patent protection. Clinical response to the same compound might suggest a common etiology but doesn't necessarily confirm the 'virus' model for the rashes; for example, maybe the compound influences the immune system in a similar beneficial way. The 'virus' part might just be an illusion stemming from the weird alchemy of cell cultures techniques.

Maybe rather than saying 'no-virus' it's better to switch to saying 'no-flying-viruses' or 'no-contagion'.

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Greg's's avatar

Dennis,Agent too,

MAIN REASON NO VIRUSES THEORY FAILS IS CUZ SYNTHETIC LAB VIRUS MIMICKERS EXIST SINCE PRE 1918! So it's largely irrelevant in modern era that viruses don't meet full natural definitions they still meet most functional definitions spare dependable cross infection abilities or modes of action but they haven't always failed there in my opinion just cuz of several failed transferability tests cited by critics,too many times flus and other alleged viruses did spread thru communities and a seeming resistance was witnessed preventing obvious reinfection from the then infected around them.In fact this may be a primary reason people resist the no virus theory,they witnessed personally mass community infection stopping at only one illness per person majority wise..

I think this could be explained by cleverly mixing parasites,toxins etc and perhaps designing a poison tolerance development that kicked in fast similar to those tolerant to multi snake bites,in fact Dr Ardis has proposed similar theory here.

Yes it's important to emphasize we shouldn't be enslaved to a vaccine schedule for non natural viruses and that synthetic virus mimickers to create big deception is abhorrent but it's also bad idea to extend that to far ie since viruses don't naturally exist we can ignore their attempt and some success to create virus function mimickers (synthetic viruses which by minority dictionary clause qualify decades as yes, true viruses by accepted to degrees long reviewed medical definition...would that definition meet court standards!? Likely depends on multi factors including what court ie the desire to nullify the existence of synthetic viruses vs other synthetic drugs say is huge due to factors relating to the seasonal alleged natural flu and other alleged natural viruses and their vaccine counterparts..if they widely publicize synthetic viruses legally qualify as a virus then suspicions run even higher they are manufacturing or spreading the virus illness,which is already a worry for a % of the people,yes?Of course! Certainly though synthetic viruses fail the 2 natural definition tests at least in original intent which each have protoculled test names of which I forget,it's a crime against humanity synthetic viruses or diseases or mass concoction poisonings even exist!

...Yes ,I know why call them viruses at all then,their admittedly a toxic stew only without seasonal or natural transferability as virus is defined predominantly.ie dictionary also accepts lab synthetic virus too extents guys,come-on!

Reason is twofold,cuz they were designed to fool us ,matching the alleged natural virus abilities and w significant degree of lab success there and populace long accepted their existence,and secondly cuz we will never in 20+ years convince majority of Americans viruses don't exist but we could rightly say most and perhaps all,still checking ,designed in labs and their just virus mimickers with no seasonal abilities and that's why flu shots failed so much but ingredients in shots neutralized parasites, toxins etc to some extent( and maybe they really did by design).. research here Agent!!?-ie proving neutralization of synthetic virus toxicitys too degree by drug or vaccine would prove start to finish past and current complicity perhaps in staging illnesses. Ie create problem,solution ,profits,agenda points om,etc

It's also possible that true samples of synthetic virus weren't submitted as they'd reveal in detail the conspiracy as exact ,traceable to lab components would show up.So they weathered failed virus transferability tests cuz they knew they could w political power over public opinion and media .In fact with the scrutiny covid vaccine is getting,many unusual components like AIDs synthetic non virus,but real immune toxin,or

19 snake venoms are popping up in both the DNA china computer covid virus sequence and the vaccine too!(obviously lab made,how is there a debate?cuz they know most uneducated here,and if they repeat confusions then refuse to comment they'll get away with it,but it's always been shown as a lab made synthetic period with aids,period and Pfizer even put anti aids drug in their recent new covid drug I forget name of!

Now,to be clearer here it's well known bacteria,mold, parasites,poison can all transfer and using parasites as a traveling vector is simple stuff for all the above(what's happening now with both covid synthetic virus and vaccine) but each of them can be made to travel in air or by touch to one extent or another so again I suspect those virus tests were faked as it would be simple biz to get transferability of toxins to create symptoms by avg lab

tech or heck even a Sr in high school smartee .

.We all know by common sense you could for example put a bunch of snake venom or botulism under a air blower into someone's face from a few feet and that person would get ill, come on!,what else!?,really you doubt tthat..!? OR You could then have that person have sex with another and if toxic stew load was high enough in particles theyd both get sick,guaranteed!!! ie it's only a matter of critical mass load ie how many particles of toxins. Extreme example is a bucket load! A just enough ex.is perhaps a tip of a pins worth ie what is that guy spraying the curbside with I wonder, DDT and what stew Honey? Oh well back to watching" Days in our Lives as we munch a healthy TV Dinner..."I'm sorry you no virus 'exist guys took it too far into lala land! Who cares if they don't exist naturally since like 1905 or before if they were using virus imitators with majority of virus functions including yes,dammit,transferability a substantial percentage of the time.

.OUR BEST CHANCE OF SUBSTANTIAL RECTIFICATION IS TO SHOW PATTERN OF SYNTHETIC VIRUS EXISTENCE INCLUDING YES,(OH MY!- YU JUST CANT DO IT -JUST DO IT,ACCEPT IT!TRANSFERABILITY OF TOXINS AND IMMUNITY BUILD UP(SNAKE POISON TOLERANCE)-HELLO DR ARDIS! AND ACCEPT SYNTHETIC VIRUS DEFINTION-ACTUALLY THEY GAVE US A CLUE WAY BACK WHERE SOME DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS OF A VIRUS INCLUDED SUCH DESIGNED TOXINS-DUH-HELLO TRUTHERS-YA SURE YOU WANT TO BE AWAKE?. THIS IS HEAVY STUFF,MAYBE ITS TIME TO GO BACK TO IGNORANCE IS NEWS MEDIA BLISS OPTION AND WALLOW IN THE FLUFF A BIT,YA KNOW A FLUFF FIX! HAHA..JUST KIDDING THIS IS TRICKY STUFF,HANG IN THERE!

- Sadly I think the temptation put out was if viruses don't exist seasonally or at all naturally then vaccines are a scam and all we have to do is call them liars and correlated vaccines evil and walk away into the organic alfalfa fields etc.like that's the end of the story lala land from there on. I'm afraid,cuz the lab concoctions they call viruses or just call b-weapons are every bit as bad, only difference is vaccines won't help..actually evidence showing their designing vaccines to help a bit by appearances anyway as well as their drugs- surprising.no!

So please,consider changing the no virus exist chant to only synthetic virus exist and the solution is not to say those people who lossed their taste smell or ability to breath weren't experiencing a modern yes virus dammit (a synthetic virus,b.weapon), just say virus ,one word,then say well technically synthetic virus and my theory to your friends cuz it's right...so you don't lose 90 percent of the people ya say you care about,screw the political semantics already, ie "no virus exists", dividing mostly only,gotten ya nowhere with 90 percent+ and were losing chance to better situation...Or tell me where I'm wrong with my theory and save the good parts cuz yu know I've got some good juicy truths here.

Ps. Another possible reason for deception in early 1900s is cuz Rockefeller and Elites were into occultic demon worship for power and money and much as been revealed lately about how lower frequency life forms can be used ,possessed by demons or demonic tech or both for their advantage ie parasites,mold, fungus, worms,snakes poisons etc(what,?No white doves,sheep or wagging golden retrievers,hmmm very interesting,haha) and their narrative with virus allowed them to infiltrate all these nasties in a lower frequency infestation witches brew thing dontcha know!

That nastiness is peaking now with COVIDS 19 venoms and much more as we know with Frankensteinian electromagnetic graphene transhumanism amp up in case that previous nightmare wasn't enuff,right,lovely!Can you say mark of beast?Time to get tight with God and fight the illusions,even in the truther stuff sometimes I'm sorry to have to break it to ya!

.Oh,and shape of earth issue? Much delusional force pumped in there.

Question: If you had to back flat earth position in debate class or get denied diploma what 3 flat earth positions have you pondering you'd attempt to defend and why? For example how can you see beaches up to 15 miles w binoculars down to waterline from other side lake beach and at 65 miles w 125 x mag lake michigan same scenario see beach plus 30 ft up when you should have hundreds of ft blocked by curve? (30 ft block only haze) Ie wishing you a break thru!- Check out Book of Enoch..pray to God to be released from delusions held spiritually before beginning and ask yourself if worst spirits and worst man would try for max lie reality or not to distance from God they hate,if your sincere might well find profound meanings and more bad actors here, but don't lose your job or anything ie Hey boss ,the earth is flat and your deluded let me help you see the light you poor fool ! Haha,Truth has it's proper times and places!

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